Dodge Viper ACR sets new Nürburgring lap time of 7:12....
09-15-11, 01:13 PM
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Anyway, fast and powerful are traits youd expect of a car wearing the storied GTO badge. What you might not expect is how eagerlyand forgivinglythis latest GTO applies that power and speed to a given stretch of straights and curves. The fundamental mechanical elements of the dynamic upgrade versus the standard 599GTB Fiorano and the more aggressive Handling Gran Turismo Evoluzione (HGTE) version are stiffer spring rates and a heftier rear anti-roll bar. Theres also more grip. Ferrari estimates about 1.25 g, thanks to bigger contact patches from 285/30 front and 315/35 rear Michelin rubber made from a new compound. These Pilot Super Sports are a little stickier than the very sticky Pilot Sport Cups.
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09-15-11, 02:15 PM
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What is the Lexus response as to why there are no announcements of changing tires for better performance numbers in the near future?
Every thread has a 'what if' or 'if then' after the original topic and then the endless speculation ensues. LFA NBG has a time of 7:14, that may be good enough for Lexus and unless there is an owner who decides differently, it is what it is.
Every thread has a 'what if' or 'if then' after the original topic and then the endless speculation ensues. LFA NBG has a time of 7:14, that may be good enough for Lexus and unless there is an owner who decides differently, it is what it is.
not to take any credit away from lexus at all. i for one never cared that much to the last details. as long as it has one of the better times, awesomely good enough for me.
09-15-11, 03:10 PM
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The Nurburgring edition comes with decent high-grip tires. They work quite well on the race track. However, the standard LFA is a different story since cause too much oversteer very easily. Put an idiot driver like Randy Pobst in there who can get scared very easily and suddenly it becomes a "scary supercar".
They are weak both in lateral and longitudinal grip. They could do customers who are dishing out $375,000 a favor and do what Ferrari did. Fire Bridgestone.
Again, it was never a planned run. Akira Iida did it on his own that eventually got the support of Lexus. It was never done for publicity or marketing. Completely different from this. Lexus will definitely not go back and start getting into this rat race of quickest lap times. It was important to show case the capabilities of LFA, but not to get into a rat race with other manufacturers. Especially in this case where they take a 2 year old out-of-production car and then suddenly want to get the publicity for their brand.
GTR sales have plummeted so badly and it is completely dismal in sales as Porsche is simply killing it even with the out-dated 911 GT3 and Turbo S. GM and Nissan definitely will do it and try to bunny hop over the other, but Lexus will not.
They are weak both in lateral and longitudinal grip. They could do customers who are dishing out $375,000 a favor and do what Ferrari did. Fire Bridgestone.
Again, it was never a planned run. Akira Iida did it on his own that eventually got the support of Lexus. It was never done for publicity or marketing. Completely different from this. Lexus will definitely not go back and start getting into this rat race of quickest lap times. It was important to show case the capabilities of LFA, but not to get into a rat race with other manufacturers. Especially in this case where they take a 2 year old out-of-production car and then suddenly want to get the publicity for their brand.
GTR sales have plummeted so badly and it is completely dismal in sales as Porsche is simply killing it even with the out-dated 911 GT3 and Turbo S. GM and Nissan definitely will do it and try to bunny hop over the other, but Lexus will not.
Can the LFA wear better tires? Absolutely! Is it? No. You have to accept what the reality is. The LFA is blistering fast as it is.
I love the LFA as well, my dealership delivered one and standing in it's presence was awe inspiring, but you are taking that WAY too personally. There will ALWAYS be faster cars. Be comfortable in the fact that the LFA combines speed, comfort and class in one OUTSTANDING package.
09-15-11, 03:57 PM
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Seriously?? 9th?? out of 11 cars?? Only ahead of Evora S and 1M?? behind a Mustang Boss 302?? When LFA's lap time was almost identical to 458 Italia?? Behind a Porsche Cayman R?? 7 spots behind Nissan GTR?? All because of poor tires it is less "driver's car" than a Boss 302??? After admitting to have seen how Justin Bell was able to do with LFA what Pobst could not??
Feel free to disagree with me. He is a very questionable character.
Feel free to disagree with me. He is a very questionable character.
Dude, you need to calm down and lay off the insults you are hurling at Pobst. The man is a multi championship winning race driver. Just because the results didn't turn out the way you wanted them to and he didn't think the LFA was greater than god, doesn't make him an idiot. He is relaying what his experience is in the car. Do you want him to lie? If he did then everyone else would question his integrity and disregard the test the same way you have, except they would have a valid reason.
Can the LFA wear better tires? Absolutely! Is it? No. You have to accept what the reality is. The LFA is blistering fast as it is.
I love the LFA as well, my dealership delivered one and standing in it's presence was awe inspiring, but you are taking that WAY too personally. There will ALWAYS be faster cars. Be comfortable in the fact that the LFA combines speed, comfort and class in one OUTSTANDING package.
Can the LFA wear better tires? Absolutely! Is it? No. You have to accept what the reality is. The LFA is blistering fast as it is.
I love the LFA as well, my dealership delivered one and standing in it's presence was awe inspiring, but you are taking that WAY too personally. There will ALWAYS be faster cars. Be comfortable in the fact that the LFA combines speed, comfort and class in one OUTSTANDING package.
09-15-11, 04:36 PM
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09-15-11, 06:57 PM
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Congratulations to Fiat....err Chrsyler....on a car that there is no 2011 or 2012 model for but if you are interested in a 2010 unsold model, then this is the fastest out of production, unsold, still sitting on dealer lots 2010 car.
I guess that is a new "Ring" category.
Its still a cool accomplishment and I'm happy Fiat decided to wait to beat Lexus at the "ring"
Think about that...
Lexus INSPIRED the competition to run faster at the Ring.
Lexus....
Lexus.......
That speaks volumes.
I guess that is a new "Ring" category.
Its still a cool accomplishment and I'm happy Fiat decided to wait to beat Lexus at the "ring"
Think about that...
Lexus INSPIRED the competition to run faster at the Ring.
Lexus....
Lexus.......
That speaks volumes.
09-15-11, 10:19 PM
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Congratulations to Fiat....err Chrsyler....on a car that there is no 2011 or 2012 model for but if you are interested in a 2010 unsold model, then this is the fastest out of production, unsold, still sitting on dealer lots 2010 car.
I guess that is a new "Ring" category.
Its still a cool accomplishment and I'm happy Fiat decided to wait to beat Lexus at the "ring"
Think about that...
Lexus INSPIRED the competition to run faster at the Ring.
Lexus....
Lexus.......
That speaks volumes.
I guess that is a new "Ring" category.
Its still a cool accomplishment and I'm happy Fiat decided to wait to beat Lexus at the "ring"
Think about that...
Lexus INSPIRED the competition to run faster at the Ring.
Lexus....
Lexus.......
That speaks volumes.
09-16-11, 12:40 AM
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Wow that didn't take long for someone to beat the LFA's time. I want to see a what the official time will be and what tires they used on the run. I am hoping that Lexus will respond with another attempt.
09-16-11, 03:28 AM
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indeed... they picked the tires that for them are best for overall street performance... not track tires. Any owner that wants to go to track can easily change the tires to something better suited.
09-16-11, 05:13 AM
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Congratulations to Fiat....err Chrsyler....on a car that there is no 2011 or 2012 model for but if you are interested in a 2010 unsold model, then this is the fastest out of production, unsold, still sitting on dealer lots 2010 car.
I guess that is a new "Ring" category.
Its still a cool accomplishment and I'm happy Fiat decided to wait to beat Lexus at the "ring"
Think about that...
Lexus INSPIRED the competition to run faster at the Ring.
Lexus....
Lexus.......
That speaks volumes.
I guess that is a new "Ring" category.
Its still a cool accomplishment and I'm happy Fiat decided to wait to beat Lexus at the "ring"
Think about that...
Lexus INSPIRED the competition to run faster at the Ring.
Lexus....
Lexus.......
That speaks volumes.
09-16-11, 09:53 AM
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I don't know that the LFA "Ring" edition came with, I do know Bridgestone has a few 60 treadwear compounds that "could" of been used I don't know. The LFA is a great car and I did post on the Viper forum when it broke the ACR's record praising it although I wasn't happy about it.
The 2010 model had an important advantage over the '08 & '09 models and that was a shorter 5th and 6th gear. When it ran the 7:22 it topped out in 4th because 5th was unusable and it kept bouncing off the rev limiter that was not the case in the 2010 hence the 10 second difference.
Just so everybody knows there is not a single "nanny" on the ACR except antilock brakes, no traction control......nothing so they are really fun and sometimes scary to road race. Competition is healthy, it's what makes cars keep getting better. Unfortuately Federal regulations are going to make these supercars obsolete. Now we wait for the GenV to come out and it will be made by Fiat
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09-16-11, 10:16 AM
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All the 'aids' can be turned off in the LFA as well. Not sure the tread rating of the RE070's, but I'm positive they're not as grippy as those Michellin's. Don't really matter, the two are pretty equal, just one does so on better tires and the other is an exotic.