Lexus LFA- Discussion, Pictures & News (new colors gloss black, blue, yellow)
10-20-09, 08:25 PM
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The look is more functional than the concept, that's not a surprise, because the car is meant to race and to work well. It's a theme we've seen throughout--from the LF-Sh grille gaining all those air vents to the LS 600h L refresh; an now from the concept LF-A to the LFA...it is more functional (all those front air intakes make for a more GT-R look IMO). Less attractive from the photos, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
But I wouldn't take the 0-60 times or top speed as the final word...they weren't there for the IS-F (official 4.6; magazines had 4.4 and 4.2).
Moreover, assuming that the aerodynamics rumor being bunk means that the car was "seriously, seriously slow and deficient" is a really negative way to look at things. There could be any number of reasons why that rumor is accurate or not. The wind tunnel testing could have been simply a continued process, not anything to do with top speed; it could have been for refining air flow; it could have been for testing the rear spoiler--and any person could have heard about the test and made up a reason.
But I wouldn't take the 0-60 times or top speed as the final word...they weren't there for the IS-F (official 4.6; magazines had 4.4 and 4.2).
Moreover, assuming that the aerodynamics rumor being bunk means that the car was "seriously, seriously slow and deficient" is a really negative way to look at things. There could be any number of reasons why that rumor is accurate or not. The wind tunnel testing could have been simply a continued process, not anything to do with top speed; it could have been for refining air flow; it could have been for testing the rear spoiler--and any person could have heard about the test and made up a reason.
10-20-09, 08:25 PM
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The other thing that I remain perplexed about is how this final shape came to be if the top speed is 202mph and the 0-60 is 3.7sec. Neither of those are particularly class leading numbers and word on the street was that the LFA II concept was scrapped because it wasn't aerodynamic enough and the performance numbers weren't up to par.
Here we have a car that is not as attractive as the LFA II and the performance numbers are not close to the rumored 218mph top speed or low 3 sec 0-60. Either that rumor was horse crap or the car was seriously, seriously slow and deficient before.
There are a lot of unanswered questions, IMO.
Here we have a car that is not as attractive as the LFA II and the performance numbers are not close to the rumored 218mph top speed or low 3 sec 0-60. Either that rumor was horse crap or the car was seriously, seriously slow and deficient before.
There are a lot of unanswered questions, IMO.
Isn't this the first Japanese car to break 200 MPH?
This is a Japanese FIRST on so many levels, it should be celebrated, even if it isn't exactly what ones might have "thought" should happen.
This isn't 1990. This is 2010 and everyone makes fantastic cars and the supercar market has exploded. Do we really expect to be shocked by anything?
10-20-09, 08:26 PM
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Wow, still a full year before production even starts. Why bother showing it now? If the LFA's performance isn't already struggling to keep up with the competition now, I don't even want to know how far behind it will be in a year. This car seems to disappoint more and more.
10-20-09, 08:27 PM
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Hmm...the estimated price is ridiculous. The car looks okay (i think the concepts looked better) but to be more expensive than McClaren and ferrari? Thats a joke. Pricing it in the 100-150k range would've made more sense to me or at the most, 200k. $400k is ultraluxury category. Sorry Lexus, but you arent there yet. Nice attempt though. Congrats on being the first Japanese car manufacturer to try
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10-20-09, 08:30 PM
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10-20-09, 08:33 PM
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I had to read it to believe it...C&D calls $350K Lexus supercar a "bargain":
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t_drive_review
Point made: compared to the CFRP supercars like the $500K SLR McLaren and Ferrari Enzo, it encompasses tech, performance, etc.
Motor Trend sees oppositely--jumped into the high end of a deep pool (most expensive vs. less expensive Ferraris, etc.)
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ive/index.html
Both mags however suggest that the LFA's CFRP tech will make it into future Lexus cars.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t_drive_review
Point made: compared to the CFRP supercars like the $500K SLR McLaren and Ferrari Enzo, it encompasses tech, performance, etc.
Motor Trend sees oppositely--jumped into the high end of a deep pool (most expensive vs. less expensive Ferraris, etc.)
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ive/index.html
Both mags however suggest that the LFA's CFRP tech will make it into future Lexus cars.
10-20-09, 08:36 PM
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The interview that was posted a few pages back does answer some of the questions, IMO. From 04-06 we had the rumors of a $125K price tag for a sports car with a V10 engine...not much else was known. 2007 comes along and we start hearing about a curb weight of less than 3300 lbs, carbon fiber and aluminum, very limited production, price of $250K+ etc. Considering this shift in principles it seems like they almost developed two different cars throughout the process.
At the end of the day I wish they had stuck with the original plan even if the car weighed 3600lbs and didn't utilize a 65% carbon fiber structure...it would be less expensive and more attainable. I think it would have done more for the brand than this LFA can do being priced so out of the atmosphere, and with such limited capacity.
The car is cool to think about, but that is really it for me.
At the end of the day I wish they had stuck with the original plan even if the car weighed 3600lbs and didn't utilize a 65% carbon fiber structure...it would be less expensive and more attainable. I think it would have done more for the brand than this LFA can do being priced so out of the atmosphere, and with such limited capacity.
The car is cool to think about, but that is really it for me.
10-20-09, 08:38 PM
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Still surprised by C&D's report:
The $350,000 Lexus LFA is the richer man’s Ferrari 599GTB. It’s also a bargain.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...o_heavy_page_3
The LFA is the most exciting car to come out of Japan since the GT-R, as it should be for the money Lexus is charging. But it’s more involving than the Nissan and a much more special experience. In many ways, its closest natural rival is the Ferrari 599GTB, although the Lexus is more visceral and exciting and better balanced and more nimble. At the same time, the LFA is easy to drive at everyday speeds, quiet at cruise, and refined, just like a Lexus should be. Whether people can equate the brand with a hugely expensive, hugely competent sports car will be interesting to say the least.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...o_heavy_page_3
The LFA is the most exciting car to come out of Japan since the GT-R, as it should be for the money Lexus is charging. But it’s more involving than the Nissan and a much more special experience. In many ways, its closest natural rival is the Ferrari 599GTB, although the Lexus is more visceral and exciting and better balanced and more nimble. At the same time, the LFA is easy to drive at everyday speeds, quiet at cruise, and refined, just like a Lexus should be. Whether people can equate the brand with a hugely expensive, hugely competent sports car will be interesting to say the least.
10-20-09, 08:39 PM
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Wow, still a full year before production even starts. Why bother showing it now? If the LFA's performance isn't already struggling to keep up with the competition now, I don't even want to know how far behind it will be in a year. This car seems to disappoint more and more.
Hmm...the estimated price is ridiculous. The car looks okay (i think the concepts looked better) but to be more expensive than McClaren and ferrari? Thats a joke. Pricing it in the 100-150k range would've made more sense to me or at the most, 200k. $400k is ultraluxury category. Sorry Lexus, but you arent there yet. Nice attempt though. Congrats on being the first Japanese car manufacturer to try
Funny but every time Lexus is the first to hit a price point, people say "oh it will fail, its stupid, why do it" and what happens? It is well recieved and sells very well.
10-20-09, 08:43 PM
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This is a normal practice, everyone does it. Its being produced it can't be that much of a disappointment.
Thanks for logging in and posting your usual anti-Lexus remark. Surely if it had Nissan on it, your opinion would change.
Funny but every time Lexus is the first to hit a price point, people say "oh it will fail, its stupid, why do it" and what happens? It is well recieved and sells very well.
Thanks for logging in and posting your usual anti-Lexus remark. Surely if it had Nissan on it, your opinion would change.
Funny but every time Lexus is the first to hit a price point, people say "oh it will fail, its stupid, why do it" and what happens? It is well recieved and sells very well.
But now that you mentioned nissan, I think the Essence CONCEPT looked way better. You are just as predictable as me
