New IS-F coming soon?
01-05-19, 07:32 AM
#2
If a new ISF comes out in a v6, I will be extremely dissappointed.
If a new ISF comes out with 416 hp again, I'll be extremely dissappointed.
For the alleged $100k, the new RCF track edition, so far, looks to disappoint.
My sites are set on an LCF in 2 years....as long as it's a turbo or supercharged v8 and $150k TOPS.
V.
If a new ISF comes out with 416 hp again, I'll be extremely dissappointed.
For the alleged $100k, the new RCF track edition, so far, looks to disappoint.
My sites are set on an LCF in 2 years....as long as it's a turbo or supercharged v8 and $150k TOPS.
V.
Last edited by Vitveet; 01-05-19 at 09:43 AM.
01-05-19, 09:10 AM
#3
A another 416hp ISF makes no sense, when its competitors all make significantly more power M3 444hp which is underrated, C63AMG 469 the C63AMG S 503hp, Alfa Romeo giulia 505hp. By the time 2022 hits they all they probably making even more hp. A V8 will must likely be reserved for there halo cars LSF, LCF, maybe RCF; even that could go V6 TT route. The next gen 340i will be 382hp 369tq so that would be new ISF competition at 416hp and probably heavier then BMW340i. They shouldn't even bother just TT IS350 have it produce similar hp numbers and sell it at lower price point to compete against 340i.
Why send 65k or more on 416hp ISF that won't be able keep up with competition why even bother. Just makes no sense to build 416hp ISF. Lexus doesn't understand they could have ISF & RCF both make same hp /tq and sell them side by side just like M3 4dr sedan and M4 2dr coupe
When I was at dealer earlier this week we were talk about this. They think GSF will stick around until LSF is released then thats it for GSF. The Service mgr said Lexus blow it, they should have followed BMW model and release a true F model in each class an IS250 F, IS350 F, IS-F, RC-F, GS-F, LS-F and LC-F. Like BMW M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, M6 and M7.
Why send 65k or more on 416hp ISF that won't be able keep up with competition why even bother. Just makes no sense to build 416hp ISF. Lexus doesn't understand they could have ISF & RCF both make same hp /tq and sell them side by side just like M3 4dr sedan and M4 2dr coupe
When I was at dealer earlier this week we were talk about this. They think GSF will stick around until LSF is released then thats it for GSF. The Service mgr said Lexus blow it, they should have followed BMW model and release a true F model in each class an IS250 F, IS350 F, IS-F, RC-F, GS-F, LS-F and LC-F. Like BMW M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, M6 and M7.
01-05-19, 12:21 PM
#4
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A another 416hp ISF makes no sense, when its competitors all make significantly more power M3 444hp which is underrated, C63AMG 469 the C63AMG S 503hp, Alfa Romeo giulia 505hp. By the time 2022 hits they all they probably making even more hp. A V8 will must likely be reserved for there halo cars LSF, LCF, maybe RCF; even that could go V6 TT route. The next gen 340i will be 382hp 369tq so that would be new ISF competition at 416hp and probably heavier then BMW340i. They shouldn't even bother just TT IS350 have it produce similar hp numbers and sell it at lower price point to compete against 340i.
Why send 65k or more on 416hp ISF that won't be able keep up with competition why even bother. Just makes no sense to build 416hp ISF. Lexus doesn't understand they could have ISF & RCF both make same hp /tq and sell them side by side just like M3 4dr sedan and M4 2dr coupe
When I was at dealer earlier this week we were talk about this. They think GSF will stick around until LSF is released then thats it for GSF. The Service mgr said Lexus blow it, they should have followed BMW model and release a true F model in each class an IS250 F, IS350 F, IS-F, RC-F, GS-F, LS-F and LC-F. Like BMW M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, M6 and M7.
Why send 65k or more on 416hp ISF that won't be able keep up with competition why even bother. Just makes no sense to build 416hp ISF. Lexus doesn't understand they could have ISF & RCF both make same hp /tq and sell them side by side just like M3 4dr sedan and M4 2dr coupe
When I was at dealer earlier this week we were talk about this. They think GSF will stick around until LSF is released then thats it for GSF. The Service mgr said Lexus blow it, they should have followed BMW model and release a true F model in each class an IS250 F, IS350 F, IS-F, RC-F, GS-F, LS-F and LC-F. Like BMW M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, M6 and M7.
The difference with BMW is the different series of car all get their own body.
01-05-19, 03:16 PM
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01-05-19, 03:45 PM
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01-05-19, 09:26 PM
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No not really M1/M2 and M3/4 are basically same platform as with same bodies. With same bodies as standard 1,2,3 and 4 serious of cars. Whats difference between standard car and M cars wider fenders diff front grills, tires, motor and suspension etc. Whats difference between 535, 550 and M5? body basically are same difference motor size suspension etc just like the other cars. M6 grand coupe and M7 kind of stand alone.
M3 and M4 are the same chassis, not the same car. Coupe versus sedan. So in that fashion Lexus is competing, it’s like the RCF and GSF (granted the chassis is not identical).
Is250, Is350 and ISF are all literally the same car with different drivetrains and the ISF is a little longer and wider to accommodate the go fast goodies. That is similar to the 535, 550 and M5. Same car, just different performance options.
Lexus competes, it just has fewer cars. The RCF, ISF (discontinued for now), GSF, LCF, and even LSF. The only F option that is missing in the current lineup is the ISF.
01-06-19, 05:39 AM
#10
^^^^Again, No. The 1M was called the 1M because their was an M1( an entirely different class of car) Produced in the late 70s, and BMW did not want to dilute the aura of that car:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1
Weapon F was correct in his post.
Lou
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1
Weapon F was correct in his post.
Lou
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01-06-19, 07:34 AM
#11
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^^^^Again, No. The 1M was called the 1M because their was an M1( an entirely class of car) Produced in the late 70s, and BMW did not want to dilute the aura of that car:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1
Weapon F was correct in his post.
Lou
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1
Weapon F was correct in his post.
Lou
01-06-19, 09:53 AM
#12
Hmmm the little twin turbos in the 911's are not bad performers .they sound ok too. I wouldn't poopoo a twin turbo 6 in a Lexus too quickly, not until I tried it.
Fwiw. I have owned a 1996 911 TT and currently own 2010 ISF. My preference is the ISF for many reasons other than the engine.
Fwiw. I have owned a 1996 911 TT and currently own 2010 ISF. My preference is the ISF for many reasons other than the engine.
01-06-19, 10:00 AM
#13
Sorry if I offended you, but it's just that all your posts are posted as fact, you never say "I believe" or "IMO" or "as I understand". When stated as fact, you open yourself up to posts like mine and Weapon F, folks who may know just a bit more than you. Maybe folks who have been around longer
Hope you understand,
Lou
Hope you understand,Lou
01-06-19, 12:38 PM
#14
^^^^Again, No. The 1M was called the 1M because their was an M1( an entirely different class of car) Produced in the late 70s, and BMW did not want to dilute the aura of that car:����
David
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1
Weapon F was correct in his post.
Lou
David
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M1
Weapon F was correct in his post.
Lou
Sorry if I offended you, but it's just that all your posts are posted as fact, you never say "I believe" or "IMO" or "as I understand". When stated as fact, you open yourself up to posts like mine and Weapon F, folks who may know just a bit more than you. Maybe folks who have been around longer Hope you understand,
Lou
Hope you understand,Lou
Lou were both old enough to remember M1 with its beautiful Italian design. Looked more like Ferrari than BMW. Hence 1M designation vs M1. The 1M was BMW attempt to get back to essence of original M cars small light weight car with great motor and suspension.
That M1 was beauty I lusted after that car it was BMW first true M car as well as there first attempt at midengine supercar. Then came M5 followed by M535i and then 1st M3. I had 87' M3 but sold it when I got deployed in 91' for Operation Deserts Storm. What mistake should have kept that M3 one of my biggest car regrets along with selling my all original all matching numbers one owner 1969 Boss 302 Mustang I paid $2000 for it in 1980. Sold it to get M3 who new what they would be worth today.��
David
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01-06-19, 01:43 PM
#15
^^^^Ha, I had a Grabber Blue 1970 Boss 302 - One of the WORST cars I ever owned. Had the shaker hood too. The motor blew 3 times. The last time, I was on my way to work, driving on a back road, and I threw a rod. I drove on 7 cylinders till the warranty fixed it. You could not buy the car with an extended warranty. I traded it at the end of the first year when the Warranty ran out
Lou
Lou