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Old May 30, 2018 | 01:36 PM
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I daily drive my 09 ISF no regrets doing it! More comfortable than my 08 Acura TLS that I used to own.
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Old May 30, 2018 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mk416
"Bulletproof" is a stretch on the reliability front, don't forget the infamous valley plate leak (expensive fix) as well as the shoddy front LCA bushings.
valley plate was only earlier models and the LCA bushings are a relatively cheap and easy fix.
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Old May 30, 2018 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mk416
"Bulletproof" is a stretch on the reliability front, don't forget the infamous valley plate leak (expensive fix) as well as the shoddy front LCA bushings.
You are talking about issues that affect maybe less than 1% of the cars made in existence.
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Old May 31, 2018 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Jwconeil


valley plate was only earlier models and the LCA bushings are a relatively cheap and easy fix.
It affected up to 2012, so I don't know what "earlier models" you're referring to. Mine is 2011 and it is suffering from this issue.

Yes, it is "cheap", assuming you diagnosed it before you run your front inner tires bald. Factoring in replacement tires for the front, you're looking at an additional $500 unexpected wear-and-tear expense. Labor + parts for this issue can potentially lead up to $1000 and you're saying this is cheap? Please.

You are talking about issues that affect maybe less than 1% of the cars made in existence.
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1% at total units produced = 51 units. Based on the complaint thread, there are more than 51 units reporting this issue. Provide numbers to validate your claim of >1% units suffering this issue.
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Old May 31, 2018 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mk416
1% at total units produced = 51 units. Based on the complaint thread, there are more than 51 units reporting this issue. Provide numbers to validate your claim of >1% units suffering this issue.
How many on that thread actually have the valley plate issue? I never bothered counting.
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Old May 31, 2018 | 10:54 AM
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For this segment of car, it is extremely reliable. Many cars that are 7 years old need 1000 worth of maintenance... its a 65 k car New.

I thought the valley issue was 08-09. I was looking for a 13-14 so I never read much about that.
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Old May 31, 2018 | 03:39 PM
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The LCA bushing is how it is by design. It isn't actually failing, so this doesn't apply when referring to reliability.
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Old May 31, 2018 | 03:45 PM
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Does anyone know how many members were affected by the valley plate on that thread? Was it really more than 51?
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Old May 31, 2018 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by cvt
Does anyone know how many members were affected by the valley plate on that thread? Was it really more than 51?
how about 5.1?
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Old Jun 1, 2018 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by mk416
It affected up to 2012, so I don't know what "earlier models" you're referring to. Mine is 2011 and it is suffering from this issue.

Yes, it is "cheap", assuming you diagnosed it before you run your front inner tires bald. Factoring in replacement tires for the front, you're looking at an additional $500 unexpected wear-and-tear expense. Labor + parts for this issue can potentially lead up to $1000 and you're saying this is cheap? Please.



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1% at total units produced = 51 units. Based on the complaint thread, there are more than 51 units reporting this issue. Provide numbers to validate your claim of >1% units suffering this issue.
I said IS-F made in EXISTENCE not the US. There were over 7,000 made worldwide. If this was such a common issue you would have seen Lexus issue a recall or TSB.
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Old Jun 1, 2018 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Diesel350
I said IS-F made in EXISTENCE not the US. There were over 7,000 made worldwide. If this was such a common issue you would have seen Lexus issue a recall or TSB.
All you have is that Lexus (the manufacturer) failed to/did not recognize this issue enough to warrant attention for us (end users). Those of us who suffered with this think it's common enough, if you bothered to read the thread.
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Old Jun 1, 2018 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jat0223
The LCA bushing is how it is by design. It isn't actually failing, so this doesn't apply when referring to reliability.
So failure by design shifts the blame to the consumers? It is not a pitfall of reliability because it was designed to wear out faster than normal? Then this part was NOT reliable to begin with. Nowhere does it state that this part has a high tendency to failure due to design.
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Old Jun 1, 2018 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by mk416
So failure by design shifts the blame to the consumers? It is not a pitfall of reliability because it was designed to wear out faster than normal? Then this part was NOT reliable to begin with. Nowhere does it state that this part has a high tendency to failure due to design.
I think you misread my post. It ISN'T failing. There's no failure by design as you mentioned. The bushing ISN'T wearing out faster than normal.
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Old Jun 1, 2018 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mk416
All you have is that Lexus (the manufacturer) failed to/did not recognize this issue enough to warrant attention for us (end users). Those of us who suffered with this think it's common enough, if you bothered to read the thread.
So because you suffered you think that Lexus should have issued a recall or TSB? You're comment makes no sense whatsover because you have no idea how many other users were affected.
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Old Jun 3, 2018 | 06:33 AM
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I purchased my 12 beginning this year as my daily. It is my commuter (admittedly short commute), kid transport (2 car seats in back), and weekend car. Are there some compromises when its a jack of all trades. Sure. Is it what I was looking for? Absolutely. It does everything I want it too and more. Sure, the suspension can be harsh on long road trips with rough roads or at expansion joints on bridges, but above 3500 RPM its all smiles. My wife has a car and we take it for most of the family outings. But my day to day ride is my ISF.

I'm a 4 door kind of guy. The level of performance in this size package and its versatility along with the stellar reliability is what helped sell me. I looked at the usual suspects, S4, C63, M3, M5 (older), RS6 (much older). All of them have some great attributes, but as my daily, I wanted/needed to count on the car 100% and attempt to avoid some of the larger pitfalls when at this performance level. Granted, maintenance goes a long way in keeping cars on the road, but some things are not avoidable.

My previous cars prior to this were:
99 Ford CTSV
06 Infiniti G35 6MT
08 Infiniti G35 6MT
10 Infiniti G37 7AT


Personally I also like that there are so few out there. I appreciate that most people have no idea what it is.
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