Lexus isf to camaro zl1....a farewell
10-04-17, 11:24 PM
#77
Cars come and go, and for one to be blessed with an opportunity to taste a different platform, that's pretty darn cool. Regardless of all the comments, particularly some of the more comically negative ones, we all should be fortunate to drive a car that we love. From "F the Track", the brutally honest insights from the vlogs, and the expansion of knowledge about the F performance line- that's something that adds to the heritage of the brand. Wishing you well on this new opportunity, Tammer!
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10-12-17, 06:15 PM
#80
I won’t hold my tongue. Most American cars are absolute trash one trick ponies.
They have been able to focus certain models 100% on track performance, which is great, they suck at just about everything else.
They have been able to focus certain models 100% on track performance, which is great, they suck at just about everything else.
10-12-17, 06:17 PM
#81
Please understand that most here don't want a two door, vision limited, brutally harsh riding, cheap materials/fit/finish, recall waiting to happen, reliability money pit Camaro. We are content to go to the airport and rent a Corvette for a couple of days to get the slumming out of our system rather than park a one trick pony like that in our driveway. To each their own. I love my Lexus but will concede that they are a 1/2 a step behind the competition. It is obvious that the improved tech and TTV8 offerings from the Germans is a compelling offer at the same price point of anything Lexus offers, but they will never have the quality and reliability of a Lexus (thanks W.E. Demming). For that and all of the other Lexus intangibles, I am willing to wait for the next half-step.
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10-13-17, 01:15 AM
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10-13-17, 05:34 AM
#84
Maybe "I8ABODYBYFISHER" (older folks will get this joke) should also be "mad" at everyone and not just Lexus. It isn't just Lexus that fell short of ZL1 performance levels, there isn't a single production car from any manufacturer with the exception of the upcoming (new/revised) GT500/Cobra Mustang that will touch it for the same or slightly more money. Most cars rivaling the ZL1 performance will be six-digit $$ cars and guess what, Lexus won't "chase" that car either. We get it, the ZL1 is amazing... for some. It doesn't mean Lexus failed. It means anyone thinking the ISF was a serious track car made the initial mistake by thinking the ISF was something it never was intended to be. However, only people like Rafi at RR Racing did something about it rather than spout off the minute something "better" came along. I don't understand being content to ride around in an essentially stock luxury grand-tourer with a sharpened edge and complain rather than modify/upgrade. Switching brands is hardly an indicator of brand loyalty, in fact it is just the opposite. It is like telling your wife you were faithful for the first 20yrs until your secretary started coming on to you. You either love your wife or you don't. Furthermore, I am confident that the RR Racing ISF or RCF would likely match or beat the lap times seen in the Camaro. Many on this forum would probably pay to see it I imagine.
Please understand that most here don't want a two door, vision limited, brutally harsh riding, cheap materials/fit/finish, recall waiting to happen, reliability money pit Camaro. We are content to go to the airport and rent a Corvette for a couple of days to get the slumming out of our system rather than park a one trick pony like that in our driveway. To each their own. I love my Lexus but will concede that they are a 1/2 a step behind the competition. It is obvious that the improved tech and TTV8 offerings from the Germans is a compelling offer at the same price point of anything Lexus offers, but they will never have the quality and reliability of a Lexus (thanks W.E. Demming). For that and all of the other Lexus intangibles, I am willing to wait for the next half-step.
Please understand that most here don't want a two door, vision limited, brutally harsh riding, cheap materials/fit/finish, recall waiting to happen, reliability money pit Camaro. We are content to go to the airport and rent a Corvette for a couple of days to get the slumming out of our system rather than park a one trick pony like that in our driveway. To each their own. I love my Lexus but will concede that they are a 1/2 a step behind the competition. It is obvious that the improved tech and TTV8 offerings from the Germans is a compelling offer at the same price point of anything Lexus offers, but they will never have the quality and reliability of a Lexus (thanks W.E. Demming). For that and all of the other Lexus intangibles, I am willing to wait for the next half-step.
10-13-17, 06:23 AM
#85
Please understand that most here don't want a two door, vision limited, brutally harsh riding, cheap materials/fit/finish, recall waiting to happen, reliability money pit Camaro. We are content to go to the airport and rent a Corvette for a couple of days to get the slumming out of our system rather than park a one trick pony like that in our driveway. To each their own. I love my Lexus but will concede that they are a 1/2 a step behind the competition. It is obvious that the improved tech and TTV8 offerings from the Germans is a compelling offer at the same price point of anything Lexus offers, but they will never have the quality and reliability of a Lexus (thanks W.E. Demming). For that and all of the other Lexus intangibles, I am willing to wait for the next half-step.
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10-13-17, 08:42 AM
#87
While everyone is stoked on their reliability...i felt like i got an egg. Bought mine used at 52k 2010 3 years ago. 5k after i bought it the Cat went bad....had a crack in the exhaust manifold...cars at Lexus again bc this is my 2nd bad MAF and MAF meter...Whenever i dim my lights the navi and gauge cluster flicker constantly...no joke...its been to Lexus over 10-12 times in 30k miles.
10-13-17, 08:50 AM
#88
While everyone is stoked on their reliability...i felt like i got an egg. Bought mine used at 52k 2010 3 years ago. 5k after i bought it the Cat went bad....had a crack in the exhaust manifold...cars at Lexus again bc this is my 2nd bad MAF and MAF meter...Whenever i dim my lights the navi and gauge cluster flicker constantly...no joke...its been to Lexus over 10-12 times in 30k miles.
10-13-17, 09:43 AM
#89
10-13-17, 09:56 AM
#90
So many people rag on Lexus performance cars.... But what we are also buying is Prestige. Who cares if my GS-F isn't the fastest car on the road or doesn't put up track numbers like a ZL1. People laugh at Chevy's, Fords and other american brands. BMW's are nice ill admit and the M5 is a beast but cmon those interiors are no comparison to Lexus. When people see my driving a Lexus they respect me more. If i were driving a Chevy they wouldn't bat an eye. Im definitely a Lexus fanboy but thats only because i know about quality product.
just my 2 cents.
just my 2 cents.
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