NOVEL 2UR-GSE 530HP with 8500 rpm redline !
#17
Pole Position
Basically the same output as Fords Voodoo 5.2 L in the GT350........
#20
Racer
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#21
Tech Info Resource
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8500 rpm is going to mean a short service life. Mean piston speed is over 25 m/sec at that rpm. That's beyond ITR territory. To make this actually work means cams, revised VVTi parameters, port/valve work, piston lightening, stronger rods (would be nice to make them longer, but that's impossible), and rebuilds at about 50k miles or less depending on how much time is spent near red line.
The factory heads don't support breathing at higher rpm and it is obvious from the stock dyno chart the engine can't breathe at the factory redline. The bottleneck is the cams and ports. Fixing the cam timing helps, but I'd also bet they put in bigger diameter valves, and likely titanium on both intake and exhaust to preclude valve float at 8500 rpm. They also used stiffer valve springs (read shorter service life) and may have done something exotic with the valve lash caps to prevent them from becoming tiddly winks at high rpm.
This is just of the top of my head. Might be a whole lot more...
The factory heads don't support breathing at higher rpm and it is obvious from the stock dyno chart the engine can't breathe at the factory redline. The bottleneck is the cams and ports. Fixing the cam timing helps, but I'd also bet they put in bigger diameter valves, and likely titanium on both intake and exhaust to preclude valve float at 8500 rpm. They also used stiffer valve springs (read shorter service life) and may have done something exotic with the valve lash caps to prevent them from becoming tiddly winks at high rpm.
This is just of the top of my head. Might be a whole lot more...
#22
Lexus Fanatic
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It's a race car so rebuilds are not unexpected . Super excited to watch the VLN races this season and to post about it on my Facebook page. (Almost 10,000 F fans from all over the world )
#24
Pit Crew
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I agree. It's basically similar to the Dinan S3R E9x M3 stroker kit, which costs similar money. In Dinan's case, the 530hp was at the crank and in typical Japanese fashion, I believe this ISF's 530hp is also measured at the crank (Spoon, Jun, Seeker, and other tuners always seem to market crank numbers). Regardless of price though, I'm sure the engineering is spot on and this is going to be one sweet package most of us can lust after lol.
#25
I remember i watched this documentary on YouTube where "Mines" built a Nissan R 33/34 GTR engine, with seemingly underwhelming numbers of torque and HP compared to what some cars were making even on the street.. And it was expensive! Then they raced it around the track, with a non-biased couple of race drivers, and they both could not believe how fast the car was! The engine was just spot on, revved harder and faster than many other big HP builds.
They didnt go for number bragging rights, they went for a car that actually performed in all conditions, with engine parts that all harmonised and resulted in crazy ACTUAL usable power that resulted in a much faster car . Will trawl the tube and see if i find the link.
What im eluding to, is that i bet this car whilst not having jaw dropping numbers would be scary fast, brutally responsive, and faster than any of us have experienced with our FBO ISF's.
They didnt go for number bragging rights, they went for a car that actually performed in all conditions, with engine parts that all harmonised and resulted in crazy ACTUAL usable power that resulted in a much faster car . Will trawl the tube and see if i find the link.
What im eluding to, is that i bet this car whilst not having jaw dropping numbers would be scary fast, brutally responsive, and faster than any of us have experienced with our FBO ISF's.
#26
8500 rpm is going to mean a short service life. Mean piston speed is over 25 m/sec at that rpm. That's beyond ITR territory. To make this actually work means cams, revised VVTi parameters, port/valve work, piston lightening, stronger rods (would be nice to make them longer, but that's impossible), and rebuilds at about 50k miles or less depending on how much time is spent near red line.
The factory heads don't support breathing at higher rpm and it is obvious from the stock dyno chart the engine can't breathe at the factory redline. The bottleneck is the cams and ports. Fixing the cam timing helps, but I'd also bet they put in bigger diameter valves, and likely titanium on both intake and exhaust to preclude valve float at 8500 rpm. They also used stiffer valve springs (read shorter service life) and may have done something exotic with the valve lash caps to prevent them from becoming tiddly winks at high rpm.
This is just of the top of my head. Might be a whole lot more...
The factory heads don't support breathing at higher rpm and it is obvious from the stock dyno chart the engine can't breathe at the factory redline. The bottleneck is the cams and ports. Fixing the cam timing helps, but I'd also bet they put in bigger diameter valves, and likely titanium on both intake and exhaust to preclude valve float at 8500 rpm. They also used stiffer valve springs (read shorter service life) and may have done something exotic with the valve lash caps to prevent them from becoming tiddly winks at high rpm.
This is just of the top of my head. Might be a whole lot more...
#27
Racer
The flat plane Mustang will be in the same boat as reliability goes, they have done extensive testing so I see no problem yet, but the Stang sounds, O SO MENTAL, I could almost be persuaded to buy one
#28
Tech Info Resource
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I remember i watched this documentary on YouTube where "Mines" built a Nissan R 33/34 GTR engine, with seemingly underwhelming numbers of torque and HP compared to what some cars were making even on the street.. And it was expensive! Then they raced it around the track, with a non-biased couple of race drivers, and they both could not believe how fast the car was! The engine was just spot on, revved harder and faster than many other big HP builds.
They didnt go for number bragging rights, they went for a car that actually performed in all conditions, with engine parts that all harmonised and resulted in crazy ACTUAL usable power that resulted in a much faster car . Will trawl the tube and see if i find the link.
What im eluding to, is that i bet this car whilst not having jaw dropping numbers would be scary fast, brutally responsive, and faster than any of us have experienced with our FBO ISF's.
They didnt go for number bragging rights, they went for a car that actually performed in all conditions, with engine parts that all harmonised and resulted in crazy ACTUAL usable power that resulted in a much faster car . Will trawl the tube and see if i find the link.
What im eluding to, is that i bet this car whilst not having jaw dropping numbers would be scary fast, brutally responsive, and faster than any of us have experienced with our FBO ISF's.
When I port cylinder heads, I am looking for a number of things, but primarily I am looking for the ability to fill the cylinder in the middle rpm range. You can tweak your power curve with cam timing, but you can't tweak ports that are too big or too small and you can't tweak valves that aren't shaped well (like factory valves). I am always looking for useful power, fewer necessary shifts, and giving the driver a wider range of options when it comes to getting power out of the engine. I learned a lot about this first hand racing motorcycles. It's very possible to have more power than you would like for a given track, and it's very helpful to have a broad powerband to give yourself some flexibility in how you exit a turn.
#29
Driver School Candidate
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I remember i watched this documentary on YouTube where "Mines" built a Nissan R 33/34 GTR engine, with seemingly underwhelming numbers of torque and HP compared to what some cars were making even on the street.. And it was expensive! Then they raced it around the track, with a non-biased couple of race drivers, and they both could not believe how fast the car was! The engine was just spot on, revved harder and faster than many other big HP builds.
They didnt go for number bragging rights, they went for a car that actually performed in all conditions, with engine parts that all harmonised and resulted in crazy ACTUAL usable power that resulted in a much faster car . Will trawl the tube and see if i find the link.
What im eluding to, is that i bet this car whilst not having jaw dropping numbers would be scary fast, brutally responsive, and faster than any of us have experienced with our FBO ISF's.
They didnt go for number bragging rights, they went for a car that actually performed in all conditions, with engine parts that all harmonised and resulted in crazy ACTUAL usable power that resulted in a much faster car . Will trawl the tube and see if i find the link.
What im eluding to, is that i bet this car whilst not having jaw dropping numbers would be scary fast, brutally responsive, and faster than any of us have experienced with our FBO ISF's.