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10-03-07, 01:55 PM
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And the "official" horsepower rating is... (merged threads)
... 416, or at least that's what Lexus dealers are being told at the annual dealer meeting currently being held in Maui. Also, the F reportedly was a big hit with the Buff Book people who attended last week's long-lead press preview of the car, and we all know they never have been overly kind to Lexus products in the past. Apparently, the overwhelming feeling was they didn't think Lexus could execute such a vehicle. Of course, there are those on this forum who will continue to believe it's just the latest in disinformation from the Lexus Minister of Disinformation.
10-03-07, 02:21 PM
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Lets see here.
They did it with the 1998 GS 400. 300hp, more than anyone
They did with with the 2006 IS 350. 306hp, more than anyone.
Why not at least be 2nd in the super sedan class?????? Why settle below the GErmans.
The entire M/F/AMG/RS etc clas IS ABOUT MINE IS BIGGER THAN YOURS.
I love Lexus, I will also point out questionable decisions.
They did it with the 1998 GS 400. 300hp, more than anyone
They did with with the 2006 IS 350. 306hp, more than anyone.
Why not at least be 2nd in the super sedan class?????? Why settle below the GErmans.
The entire M/F/AMG/RS etc clas IS ABOUT MINE IS BIGGER THAN YOURS.
I love Lexus, I will also point out questionable decisions.
10-03-07, 02:24 PM
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Lets see here.
They did it with the 1998 GS 400. 300hp, more than anyone
They did with with the 2006 IS 350. 306hp, more than anyone.
Why not at least be 2nd in the super sedan class?????? Why settle below the GErmans.
The entire M/F/AMG/RS etc clas IS ABOUT MINE IS BIGGER THAN YOURS.
I love Lexus, I will also point out questionable decisions.
They did it with the 1998 GS 400. 300hp, more than anyone
They did with with the 2006 IS 350. 306hp, more than anyone.
Why not at least be 2nd in the super sedan class?????? Why settle below the GErmans.
The entire M/F/AMG/RS etc clas IS ABOUT MINE IS BIGGER THAN YOURS.
I love Lexus, I will also point out questionable decisions.
10-03-07, 02:28 PM
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dyno
I say dyno all of them and see what happens.
ahh a drop in k &n filter will bump it up! then do some royal purple oil for more, and then a custom exhaust for more, then some type of custom headers for more, and then a turbo...
It really is not all about numbers guys. The lexus will hold a stronger residual than the other three, will prob withstand the elements better, and will be worry free. Why all the hate because of the lack of horsepower. Throw a 100 shot of n20 on it and that will magically make people happy.
ahh a drop in k &n filter will bump it up! then do some royal purple oil for more, and then a custom exhaust for more, then some type of custom headers for more, and then a turbo...
It really is not all about numbers guys. The lexus will hold a stronger residual than the other three, will prob withstand the elements better, and will be worry free. Why all the hate because of the lack of horsepower. Throw a 100 shot of n20 on it and that will magically make people happy.
10-03-07, 03:10 PM
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I think you guys are misinterpreting me some. I have argued so much here and on other sites how people are caught up in HP figures and how marketing has so many people fooled etc.
This IS-F is competing in a segment where this DOES matter on paper. This entire segment is a huge pissing contest. The majority of these cars are not tracked or used for their potential. They are wonderful HALO cars.
This is Lexus first car in this segment, I don't see how they cannot squeeze 5 more hp, to be at 421, thus be 2nd highest in class.
We also know Lexus is a GIANT, HUGE UNDERDOG in this class. Tons of people want this car to fail.
What sounds better in a mag review:?
"The IS-F, while not as powerful as the C63, is 2nd most powerful with 421hp"
"The IS-F, have the least power of this lot, behind the C63, M3 and RS4".
This IS-F is competing in a segment where this DOES matter on paper. This entire segment is a huge pissing contest. The majority of these cars are not tracked or used for their potential. They are wonderful HALO cars.
This is Lexus first car in this segment, I don't see how they cannot squeeze 5 more hp, to be at 421, thus be 2nd highest in class.
We also know Lexus is a GIANT, HUGE UNDERDOG in this class. Tons of people want this car to fail.
What sounds better in a mag review:?
"The IS-F, while not as powerful as the C63, is 2nd most powerful with 421hp"
"The IS-F, have the least power of this lot, behind the C63, M3 and RS4".
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10-03-07, 03:32 PM
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I think you guys are misinterpreting me some. I have argued so much here and on other sites how people are caught up in HP figures and how marketing has so many people fooled etc.
This IS-F is competing in a segment where this DOES matter on paper. This entire segment is a huge pissing contest. The majority of these cars are not tracked or used for their potential. They are wonderful HALO cars.
This is Lexus first car in this segment, I don't see how they cannot squeeze 5 more hp, to be at 421, thus be 2nd highest in class.
We also know Lexus is a GIANT, HUGE UNDERDOG in this class. Tons of people want this car to fail.
What sounds better in a mag review:?
"The IS-F, while not as powerful as the C63, is 2nd most powerful with 421hp"
"The IS-F, have the least power of this lot, behind the C63, M3 and RS4".
This IS-F is competing in a segment where this DOES matter on paper. This entire segment is a huge pissing contest. The majority of these cars are not tracked or used for their potential. They are wonderful HALO cars.
This is Lexus first car in this segment, I don't see how they cannot squeeze 5 more hp, to be at 421, thus be 2nd highest in class.
We also know Lexus is a GIANT, HUGE UNDERDOG in this class. Tons of people want this car to fail.
What sounds better in a mag review:?
"The IS-F, while not as powerful as the C63, is 2nd most powerful with 421hp"
"The IS-F, have the least power of this lot, behind the C63, M3 and RS4".
Go big or go home. This class of car is all about the numbers, and of more concern to me is the fact that this will not be a light car and 416hp puts it last place for power to weight ratio in comparison to the competition.
Though, FWIW, the M3 has 414hp so the IS-F would be two ahead
. The RS4 though, which has been discontinued, had 425 and like others have mentioned the C63 is pushing a whopping 457. I really don't expect Lexus to come out swinging with 460+ hp, but they should be above the previous benchmark which was the RS4.
10-03-07, 03:37 PM
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Mike took the words out of my mouth.
What's on the paper will give the first impression.
We can mod the car to get 5hp more, but most people do not want to mod their new vehicle at all, especially if the car has warranty.
When your company presents the top of the line model, you expect that vehicle to outshine its competitors, not trail it.
What's on the paper will give the first impression.
We can mod the car to get 5hp more, but most people do not want to mod their new vehicle at all, especially if the car has warranty.
When your company presents the top of the line model, you expect that vehicle to outshine its competitors, not trail it.
10-03-07, 03:37 PM
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Check out www.lexus.com/isf and click gallery. Then exterior. Scroll all the way down to the last picture. Clever marketing by Lexus or mind trick? I'm thinking 435.
10-03-07, 03:38 PM
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I'm with SICK on this one... The IS-F is competing in a segment where numbers DO matter. It's perfectly ok to enjoy your IS-F for what it is, but the numbers do indeed matter, possibly not to some, but those some are in the minority by a long shot.
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10-03-07, 03:44 PM
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Check out www.lexus.com/isf and click gallery. Then exterior. Scroll all the way down to the last picture. Clever marketing by Lexus or mind trick? I'm thinking 435.
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Well, you guys keep debating. In late December or early January, I'll happily be driving one. And something tells me Lexus won't have any problem selling the 5,700 cars that will come to the U.S.
