Thinking of buying a Manufacturer Buyback IS 200T
10-16-18, 04:08 PM
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Thinking of buying a Manufacturer Buyback IS 200T
I found this private dealer down the road from my house that specializes in manufacturer buybacks. According to the salesman, most of their vehicles are from California, where consumer rights are super picky, and consumers can make manufacturers buyback their no longer wanted vehicles for trivial reasons.
This is the car I'm looking at: 2016 Lexus IS 200T F-Sport
I test drove the car and it drove well. I didn't notice anything weird or different that stood out. However, this was my first time driving an IS.
The salesman I've been working with have been very cooperative in providing me with whatever information I needed. He also allowed me to take a long detour on the test drive. When I asked about a potential overnight, he said they, the dealer, don't allow it. Also, if I wanted to get it inspected by a mechanic, I would have to set up an appointment and they would drop off the vehicle. I called Lexus and asked if they perform any specific pre-purchase inspections for buyback vehicles, covering the problems the vehicle was returned for, and they said no. They have a set guideline they follow and the areas they check are already predetermined by the guideline.
Here is the Carfax Report.
I have attached the PDF of the 1. Lemon Law Notice for Reacquired Vehicles and 2. California Warranty Buyback Notice for anyone that would like to take a look.
The two repairs performed on the vehicle throughout the ownership seems to be:
There are 11 problems total reported by the owner and 8 of them are dismissed by the dealer as meeting manufacturer specifications. There is one problem that seems to have been ignored and that is number 7. Hesitation when accelerating or coasting - 2/23/17. As stated in the report, nothing has been done; not even an inspection.
Looking at the carfax report, the vehicle seems to have been reacquired by the manufacturer on 2/8/2018. However, taking a look at the California Warranty Buyback Notice, I don't see anything for that date. The only thing on the report that took place after the reacquisition is on the 4/26/18 for Engine Hesitation. I'm guessing this is what the owner brought up as a problem for the manufacturer to buy it back?
I honestly am not experienced dealing with manufacturer buybacks. Am I missing anything crucial so far? Does this vehicle look like a consumer law abuse by the dissatisfied consumer?
I'm guessing the rotor replacement is nothing to worry about since it was replaced and even if it goes bad, it is not a mechanical part and replacing it would be cheap in both labor and parts cost?
What about the Turbo Control Valve replacement? Is this a fix it and be done with kind of problem? Or should I be worried about this problem resurfacing later down the road? Does 200T have issues with its turbo?
This is the car I'm looking at: 2016 Lexus IS 200T F-Sport
I test drove the car and it drove well. I didn't notice anything weird or different that stood out. However, this was my first time driving an IS.
The salesman I've been working with have been very cooperative in providing me with whatever information I needed. He also allowed me to take a long detour on the test drive. When I asked about a potential overnight, he said they, the dealer, don't allow it. Also, if I wanted to get it inspected by a mechanic, I would have to set up an appointment and they would drop off the vehicle. I called Lexus and asked if they perform any specific pre-purchase inspections for buyback vehicles, covering the problems the vehicle was returned for, and they said no. They have a set guideline they follow and the areas they check are already predetermined by the guideline.
Here is the Carfax Report.
I have attached the PDF of the 1. Lemon Law Notice for Reacquired Vehicles and 2. California Warranty Buyback Notice for anyone that would like to take a look.
The two repairs performed on the vehicle throughout the ownership seems to be:
- Replacement of the turbo control valve on the right side of the engine - 1/31/17
- Front break rotors replacement - 6/15/17
There are 11 problems total reported by the owner and 8 of them are dismissed by the dealer as meeting manufacturer specifications. There is one problem that seems to have been ignored and that is number 7. Hesitation when accelerating or coasting - 2/23/17. As stated in the report, nothing has been done; not even an inspection.
Looking at the carfax report, the vehicle seems to have been reacquired by the manufacturer on 2/8/2018. However, taking a look at the California Warranty Buyback Notice, I don't see anything for that date. The only thing on the report that took place after the reacquisition is on the 4/26/18 for Engine Hesitation. I'm guessing this is what the owner brought up as a problem for the manufacturer to buy it back?
I honestly am not experienced dealing with manufacturer buybacks. Am I missing anything crucial so far? Does this vehicle look like a consumer law abuse by the dissatisfied consumer?
I'm guessing the rotor replacement is nothing to worry about since it was replaced and even if it goes bad, it is not a mechanical part and replacing it would be cheap in both labor and parts cost?
What about the Turbo Control Valve replacement? Is this a fix it and be done with kind of problem? Or should I be worried about this problem resurfacing later down the road? Does 200T have issues with its turbo?
10-16-18, 05:49 PM
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I found this private dealer down the road from my house that specializes in manufacturer buybacks. According to the salesman, most of their vehicles are from California, where consumer rights are super picky, and consumers can make manufacturers buyback their no longer wanted vehicles for trivial reasons.
This is the car I'm looking at: 2016 Lexus IS 200T F-Sport
I test drove the car and it drove well. I didn't notice anything weird or different that stood out. However, this was my first time driving an IS.
The salesman I've been working with have been very cooperative in providing me with whatever information I needed. He also allowed me to take a long detour on the test drive. When I asked about a potential overnight, he said they, the dealer, don't allow it. Also, if I wanted to get it inspected by a mechanic, I would have to set up an appointment and they would drop off the vehicle. I called Lexus and asked if they perform any specific pre-purchase inspections for buyback vehicles, covering the problems the vehicle was returned for, and they said no. They have a set guideline they follow and the areas they check are already predetermined by the guideline.
Here is the Carfax Report.
I have attached the PDF of the 1. Lemon Law Notice for Reacquired Vehicles and 2. California Warranty Buyback Notice for anyone that would like to take a look.
The two repairs performed on the vehicle throughout the ownership seems to be:
There are 11 problems total reported by the owner and 8 of them are dismissed by the dealer as meeting manufacturer specifications. There is one problem that seems to have been ignored and that is number 7. Hesitation when accelerating or coasting - 2/23/17. As stated in the report, nothing has been done; not even an inspection.
Looking at the carfax report, the vehicle seems to have been reacquired by the manufacturer on 2/8/2018. However, taking a look at the California Warranty Buyback Notice, I don't see anything for that date. The only thing on the report that took place after the reacquisition is on the 4/26/18 for Engine Hesitation. I'm guessing this is what the owner brought up as a problem for the manufacturer to buy it back?
I honestly am not experienced dealing with manufacturer buybacks. Am I missing anything crucial so far? Does this vehicle look like a consumer law abuse by the dissatisfied consumer?
I'm guessing the rotor replacement is nothing to worry about since it was replaced and even if it goes bad, it is not a mechanical part and replacing it would be cheap in both labor and parts cost?
What about the Turbo Control Valve replacement? Is this a fix it and be done with kind of problem? Or should I be worried about this problem resurfacing later down the road? Does 200T have issues with its turbo?
This is the car I'm looking at: 2016 Lexus IS 200T F-Sport
I test drove the car and it drove well. I didn't notice anything weird or different that stood out. However, this was my first time driving an IS.
The salesman I've been working with have been very cooperative in providing me with whatever information I needed. He also allowed me to take a long detour on the test drive. When I asked about a potential overnight, he said they, the dealer, don't allow it. Also, if I wanted to get it inspected by a mechanic, I would have to set up an appointment and they would drop off the vehicle. I called Lexus and asked if they perform any specific pre-purchase inspections for buyback vehicles, covering the problems the vehicle was returned for, and they said no. They have a set guideline they follow and the areas they check are already predetermined by the guideline.
Here is the Carfax Report.
I have attached the PDF of the 1. Lemon Law Notice for Reacquired Vehicles and 2. California Warranty Buyback Notice for anyone that would like to take a look.
The two repairs performed on the vehicle throughout the ownership seems to be:
- Replacement of the turbo control valve on the right side of the engine - 1/31/17
- Front break rotors replacement - 6/15/17
There are 11 problems total reported by the owner and 8 of them are dismissed by the dealer as meeting manufacturer specifications. There is one problem that seems to have been ignored and that is number 7. Hesitation when accelerating or coasting - 2/23/17. As stated in the report, nothing has been done; not even an inspection.
Looking at the carfax report, the vehicle seems to have been reacquired by the manufacturer on 2/8/2018. However, taking a look at the California Warranty Buyback Notice, I don't see anything for that date. The only thing on the report that took place after the reacquisition is on the 4/26/18 for Engine Hesitation. I'm guessing this is what the owner brought up as a problem for the manufacturer to buy it back?
I honestly am not experienced dealing with manufacturer buybacks. Am I missing anything crucial so far? Does this vehicle look like a consumer law abuse by the dissatisfied consumer?
I'm guessing the rotor replacement is nothing to worry about since it was replaced and even if it goes bad, it is not a mechanical part and replacing it would be cheap in both labor and parts cost?
What about the Turbo Control Valve replacement? Is this a fix it and be done with kind of problem? Or should I be worried about this problem resurfacing later down the road? Does 200T have issues with its turbo?
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10-17-18, 09:52 AM
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I've been through 4 vacuum regulators but due to the aftermarket performance parts on my car i refused to take it into the dealer. The part cost around $100 and i changed them myself.
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10-17-18, 11:45 AM
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sounds like a design flaw. Its not like the 4 banger turbo is good anyway. Can't even get reliability right. sad...
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10-19-18, 08:56 AM
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Yep. Sounds like your average Corolla buyer bought an IS.
The hesitation acceleration thing is just the turbo regulator valve. there's a revised part#. i have a 16 200t too and my original is still good. cheap part
And the rotors.. cmon. wear and tear.
Both are nothing to worry about.
Buy it.
The hesitation acceleration thing is just the turbo regulator valve. there's a revised part#. i have a 16 200t too and my original is still good. cheap part
And the rotors.. cmon. wear and tear.
Both are nothing to worry about.
Buy it.
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10-19-18, 09:00 AM
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And any time anyone bad mouths germany, BMW, etc, just remember who Toyota chose to power their latest flagship sports car. =) I'm a fan of both brands obviously so going to call it like it is. I do the same for Lexus over at BMW forums =P
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11-06-18, 03:14 PM
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Hey guys,
I'm still trying to decide whether I should buy this car or not.
Are manufacturers, which in this instance is Lexus, required by law to fix whatever problem the vehicle was bought back for before re-releasing it into the market?
How can I obtain the reason for buyback if the dealership that bought it back refuses to release information to a non-owner?
The private dealer that has this car provided me with the buyback notice. However, I can't really pinpoint for what exact reason the vehicle was bought back for. The salesman told me the vehicle was bought back for all the problems reported by the owner throughout the ownership(which is listed on the buyback notice) but 80% of them are dismissed as fitting manufacturer standard.
I'm still trying to decide whether I should buy this car or not.
Are manufacturers, which in this instance is Lexus, required by law to fix whatever problem the vehicle was bought back for before re-releasing it into the market?
How can I obtain the reason for buyback if the dealership that bought it back refuses to release information to a non-owner?
The private dealer that has this car provided me with the buyback notice. However, I can't really pinpoint for what exact reason the vehicle was bought back for. The salesman told me the vehicle was bought back for all the problems reported by the owner throughout the ownership(which is listed on the buyback notice) but 80% of them are dismissed as fitting manufacturer standard.
11-06-18, 06:22 PM
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Keep in mind the IS is an entry-luxury car, nothing special, many people buy them thinking that they are buying a MB class E ,the engine noise at idle is definitely present, the brake pads fail prematurely, the car is not refined like other cars in the competition, so maybe the previous owner was just being picky.
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11-06-18, 07:59 PM
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Yeah, that's what the salesmen are trying to pass this vehicle as; a mere victim of an overly picky consumer. However, it makes me question if California's law is that abusable. So far, everything I see on the papers seems okay. However, why did they buy back the vehicle on 2/8/18 when the problems are all dated in the 2017.