Thoughts on 2018 Camry from IS owners?!
01-13-18, 08:20 AM
#76
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As nice as those safety features sounds, don't think they're a must have at a $5,500 raise in price. The name change to "IS 300" would've been nice as well since they're standard now but again not at this cost.
01-13-18, 08:52 AM
#77
I would jump on the IS200t. That's a good deal for an F-Sport Model.
01-13-18, 03:58 PM
#78
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01-13-18, 04:34 PM
#79
It's really up to you if you want AWD and a V6. Have you driven both? What do you plan on doing with the car? You may want to open up a new thread so some IS300 and IS200t owners can chime in.
01-13-18, 08:42 PM
#80
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Just opened up a thread on it!
01-14-18, 04:28 PM
#81
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Actually... you're wrong. While the 2018 Camry XSE V6 does come with features the Lexus does not have, *its not missing absolutely nothing.* Off the top of my head, the Camry XSE V6 still has the "basic" traditional gauges while the Lexus runs LFA-Style digital gauges. If you take a look at both cars closely, the Lexus 3IS will have features the Camry XSE V6 doesn't have and the Camry XSE V6 will have features the Lexus 3IS doesn't have.
The Camry XSE V6 is definitely a way better car than its predecessor, but I honestly don't think it makes it better than say a Lexus. Think about it this way - the Camry XSE V6 has almost the same amount of features as a 2018 Audi A4 Prestige, even one up'ing the Audi with a Pano roof. Does this make the Camry XSE V6 better than the Audi A4? Probably not. Just like how it won't make it better than the Lexus 3IS.
Last edited by Aeromotive; 01-14-18 at 08:41 PM.
01-14-18, 04:43 PM
#82
The Camry is targeted at the mainstream market. It's for someone that needs a car to get from point a to point b. If I want a drivers car, I'll pick an IS over the Camry any day. But I was shopping for a mainstream 4 dr sedan in the $25-$33k range, I would take the Mazda 6 over the Camry. I haven't driven the new Camry. The last 2 generation that I test drove, l immediately turned around and got out of the car. The drive was uninspiring.
Features are nothing nowadays. A Toyota Corolla XLE could have all the fancy gizmos that the Camry or the IS has but it doesn't make it any better than a Camry. Automotive technology is advancing at an incredible pace where it will overlap into another segment. What makes Lexus stand out now is driving dynamics and customer service.
Features are nothing nowadays. A Toyota Corolla XLE could have all the fancy gizmos that the Camry or the IS has but it doesn't make it any better than a Camry. Automotive technology is advancing at an incredible pace where it will overlap into another segment. What makes Lexus stand out now is driving dynamics and customer service.
01-23-18, 06:51 PM
#83
Actually... you're wrong. While the 2018 Camry XSE V6 does come with features the Lexus does not have, *its not missing absolutely nothing.* Off the top of my head, the Camry XSE V6 still has the "basic" traditional gauges while the Lexus runs LFA-Style digital gauges.
The Camry XSE V6 is definitely a way better car than its predecessor, but I honestly don't think it makes it better than say a Lexus. Think about it this way - the Camry XSE V6 has almost the same amount of features as a 2018 Audi A4 Prestige, even one up'ing the Audi with a Pano roof. Does this make the Camry XSE V6 better than the Audi A4? Probably not. Just like how it won't make it better than the Lexus 3IS.
01-23-18, 07:10 PM
#84
On the gauge part, not all IS have the LF-A inspired gauge.
01-23-18, 08:48 PM
#85
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Originally Posted by MX73
On the gauge part, not all IS have the LF-A inspired gauge.
01-24-18, 04:38 AM
#86
It's just midsize entry level Camry versus compact luxury IS.
In other words, midsize & entry level, versus compact with quality.
Size or quality?
Pick whichever best fulfils your needs, wants and tastes.
Myself? I'd go for quality.
The IS has a long wheelbase with the engine mounted longitudinally behind the front axle for a near 50/50 weight distribution for more front end grip.
The IS has front double wishbone and rear multilink suspension to keep the tires more perpendicular to the road surface to maximize grip.
The IS has rear wheel drive for power oversteer, in other words, throttle steer - which is much less hard work in experienced hands.
Money?
You'll get what you pay for.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Although the Law of Diminishing Returns holds true; twice the price, but never twice the car...
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In other words, midsize & entry level, versus compact with quality.
Size or quality?
Pick whichever best fulfils your needs, wants and tastes.
Myself? I'd go for quality.
The IS has a long wheelbase with the engine mounted longitudinally behind the front axle for a near 50/50 weight distribution for more front end grip.
The IS has front double wishbone and rear multilink suspension to keep the tires more perpendicular to the road surface to maximize grip.
The IS has rear wheel drive for power oversteer, in other words, throttle steer - which is much less hard work in experienced hands.
Money?
You'll get what you pay for.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Although the Law of Diminishing Returns holds true; twice the price, but never twice the car...
.
Last edited by peteharvey; 01-24-18 at 04:50 AM.
03-26-18, 09:53 AM
#87
Lexus Test Driver
I recently test drove a v6 camry top of the line
it was white
quad exhaust
red interior leather
panoramic glass roof
it drove nice. V6 has enough power. However suspensioneft me wanting. Additionally interior quality and center console felt cheap to me. Asking price was $34,700.
If if I wanted midsize family car, I would get a 2.0T Accord. Head and shoulders above new Camry imho
it was white
quad exhaust
red interior leather
panoramic glass roof
it drove nice. V6 has enough power. However suspensioneft me wanting. Additionally interior quality and center console felt cheap to me. Asking price was $34,700.
If if I wanted midsize family car, I would get a 2.0T Accord. Head and shoulders above new Camry imho
As far as solidity, the new Camry is stronger structurally, more advanced, than the 3IS body. The next gen- IS is sure to be based on Toyota's newest platform. Currently, AFAIK, the new Prius and new Camry are the only Toyota products to use this new body. It's just a next generation platform. IS isn't bad but it's a bit stale.
In terms of overall, yes Lexus will have a bit more polish and than a Toyota product. But as far as underpinnings, structural rigidity, torsional rigidity, body materials, the Prius/Camry are superior to the IS.
The RC has a good strong platform but it's not efficient. It's hodge-podged and as a result, heavy. The RX, NX, and LS are pretty good. The IS and GS are a bit old with the GS being the flimsiest (body wise) of the bunch.
In terms of overall, yes Lexus will have a bit more polish and than a Toyota product. But as far as underpinnings, structural rigidity, torsional rigidity, body materials, the Prius/Camry are superior to the IS.
The RC has a good strong platform but it's not efficient. It's hodge-podged and as a result, heavy. The RX, NX, and LS are pretty good. The IS and GS are a bit old with the GS being the flimsiest (body wise) of the bunch.
I know these posts are old. But I just want to add a few addition information for people still looking at Camry VS IS debate. Personally - if you really look down the comparison between the Camry XSE vs Lexus IS, I still think (in my opinion) the Lexus still comes out on top. The Lexus IS might not have the HUD, 360 Camera or Pano roof but the Lexus has LFA digital gauges, a larger 10+ inch navi display with split screen (which can sub for the HUD), extra minor features throughout the car, and etc... At the end of the day, Toyota is company that's in it for the money. While the Toyota Camry is there best selling car, the Camry XSE isn't. They mostly sell Camry LE/SE. With that said, they will never make a Toyota Camry XSE better than an entry-level Lexus IS - it just won't be good for business.
Last edited by BippuLexus; 03-26-18 at 10:00 AM.
03-26-18, 11:39 AM
#89
drives cars
I think that the post was saying in terms of chassis rigidity, the Camry's platform is better. I doubt that it "drives better" than the IS on the whole. Supposedly the LC is the most rigid car Lexus has ever produced, so I expect improvements for the GS and IS later on as well.
03-26-18, 02:00 PM
#90
Lexus Test Driver
I think that the post was saying in terms of chassis rigidity, the Camry's platform is better. I doubt that it "drives better" than the IS on the whole. Supposedly the LC is the most rigid car Lexus has ever produced, so I expect improvements for the GS and IS later on as well.