Originally Posted by RoadDawg

When I see this alongside all the reviews I read about new cars, I think of the fashionable quirks and features the 2020 version avoids:

Piano gloss surfaces everywhere (Smudges and scratches everywhere within a month of purchase).
Massive glossy, fiddly touch screens that require you to learn their stupid ergonomics as you take your eyes off the road.
Phalanxes of touch "buttons" that don't work very well because, let's start with this: They aren't even buttons.
Instrument clusters that think their real job is to entertain your silly self.
20 inch wheels--because nothing screams capable off roader more than big wheels with tires as thick as condoms.
(Presumably) A tiny eggbeater turbo that will cry "uncle" in a 100K miles.
Paddle shifters so you can make like Lewis Hamilton.

I don't think the version shown is the absolute final one, but I commend Toyota for not going down the same rabbit hole as the rest of the industry as they consider changes to this model. Generally, if you find yourself complaining about dated appearance of things, if you look at how those problems are being solved by other carmakers you'll be surprised at just how silly many of those "solutions" and how impractical to use and live with over time.

I am fairly well convinced that we all own a truck that will be recognized as a classic. We can only hope Toyota understands that.

Originally Posted by chingwa14

Well... look on the bright side...

For all of us that has the same 2nd Gen model... ours still feel relatively fresh and not outdated.

And... makes the resale value that much better... driving those buyers away from a minimally refresh 2020 model year unit. ^_^

Originally Posted by allwheels

I don't see how they could go 10 years on the same body without even trying something different on the back. It really does just look like they took a current gen and put some updated parts on it to test. If that seriously is all they did, then fail.

Originally Posted by coolsaber

I disagree, since almost all of those traits you mentioned are already available on models in the current lineup and from early reports on the next generation tough and 25 year life worthy 300 series of trucks spawning the LX and LC. They dont really recognize this as a classic (imho thats more of the 80 series), as they see as a way to cut losses. Why dump 25% of incentives (average is lower but still on a Japan import in a SUV hot marker) on a vehicle thats tired, and old when we can dump not too much money in making it somewhat upto date by using stuff that we had planned for this model 1 year ago, and already in use by other Toyota models. This model is the final product, as per reports Toyota only unleashes this "leaks/public testing" once they are quite close to launch. Most unfinished products Toyota does in private.




Heavily doubt that. Reality is depreciation occurs whether they make the new bad or good, people still buy it. I do agree that there are folks that will specifically purchase things due to the inherent value as evidenced by the market of the toyota BOF and/or lack of knowledge (ie why buy a used vehicle when you can score a new one for not too much more)

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

Actually, from your response it is clear that you did not read my post carefully or just felt it was a good place to jump off for a spew. See? For starters, I was talking about THIS model and not other models.

Originally Posted by coolsaber

I didnt think of this till now, but are the door handles backlit all the way or are they still using the same handles from the current gen?

And also observe the chrome glass surround on this premium tester?

Originally Posted by hzhao

I don't think the handle has changed, frankly, based on the photo, no body panel or any parts are changed other than the grille and headlights. And most likely, the current lights will still be standard, and triple beam headlights will be either standalone or part of option package. that would be the same Lexus practice across the line.

Originally Posted by jojotheduc

If it is an upgraded infotainment unit, but same fitment, I wonder if we can simply buy the unit and plug n play into previous gen vehicles. OEM CarPlay would be very very nice.

Originally Posted by coolsaber

While I cant help how you felt about my response, it seems inaccurate to give credit to Toyota for willfully ignoring trends "like the turbo engines that cry uncle at 100k" it has incorporated in the rest of the lineup for refresh/next gens and will continue to incorporate in its future product lineup that you felt it avoided with the current state of the MY2020 refresh.

TMC has the tools and technology at this point in time how to produce a reliable and technologically advanced product that will carry them through the next generation (scheduled for MY23) but instead decided nope, lets just keep things as basic as possible.

And to echo the sentiment by existing and future owners, since the GX sells in more numbers then an LX, why not invest the same into the GX as they did the LX?

Originally Posted by allwheels

You have no idea a factory radio costs "new". If you went to any dealership and priced one out, I guarantee it will be at least 5k. Everything replaced under warranty or as CP is a reman unit. Plus the differences in communication networks and everything else for a radio/nav unit these days, its not a plug and play adventure anymore.