AVS - Adaptive Variable Suspension discussion
#1
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AVS - Adaptive Variable Suspension discussion
there is not much difference between Sport, Normal and Comfort suspension settings. In 2018 Lexus’ gx 460
is it just placebo
is it just placebo
Last edited by Skjulka; 03-26-19 at 06:22 PM. Reason: Adding
#3
Depends on how you drive it and what your definition of the three settings is. I can tell a nice difference when I use "SPORT" on a nice twisty patch near my house. It's not sports car level performance by any means but it is a noticeable improvement over the other two settings. And this is on a 2012 with 117k...
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RoadDawg (03-27-19)
#4
Depends on how you drive it and what your definition of the three settings is. I can tell a nice difference when I use "SPORT" on a nice twisty patch near my house. It's not sports car level performance by any means but it is a noticeable improvement over the other two settings. And this is on a 2012 with 117k...
#5
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I can definitely tell a difference on mine too. Get into the corners and sport mode holds road far better. I also notice a smoother ride on the freeway going over expansion joints in Comfort mode, I don’t really use Normal mode.
#6
Racer
I can feel the differences too. I usually in Normal and use Comfort when shuttling the family around. It is softer and has more bounces when going over dips freeway imperfections. You can definitely feel the jolts in Sport more.
This is not the first time I've seen post like this. I wonder if Lexus changed it up a bit between the older years and new ones.
This is not the first time I've seen post like this. I wonder if Lexus changed it up a bit between the older years and new ones.
#7
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Overwrote my comments... actuators are multi-step and thought adjust while driving within setting as well as emergency settings.
Might just be 16 step usable though
Last edited by Acrad; 03-26-19 at 07:44 PM.
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#8
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Had it on a 2008 Lexus GX470 ... and yes, it was a very expensive (placebo) option in my opinion. When the shocks needed replacement, there was no way I was going to spend 3-4 times the money on OEM replacements ... went with Bilstein's ... huge improvement in directional stability, control and handling while maintaining a smooth ride.
#9
Had it on a 2008 Lexus GX470 ... and yes, it was a very expensive (placebo) option in my opinion. When the shocks needed replacement, there was no way I was going to spend 3-4 times the money on OEM replacements ... went with Bilstein's ... huge improvement in directional stability, control and handling while maintaining a smooth ride.
So, even if AVS on my GX wears out, i will replace it with stock. No way i am going to Bilsteins. Pay to play i guess.
This was what i wrote back in the day regarding Bilsteins:
"As you know, on my '02 4runner, i changed my factory shocks to Bilsteins about 7 months ago. Bilsteins have always been one of the most highly recommended upgrade to the 4Runner (3rd gen). Thus, i thought it would help.
Since getting Bilsteins, i have noticed a few things:
- Ride is firmer...SIGNIFICANTLY firmer.
- Less body roll...slightly less.
- Less brake dive...excellent.
- Less wind wander...excellent.
- More control over bumps...yes, but ride is sacrificed. More jerkiness.
Well, today, i switched back to the factory (OEM--Tokico twin-tube low-pressure) shocks. Let me tell you, the ride is soooo much better! Sooo much smoother. You do not feel every zit in the pavement...let's not mention broken pavement. Yeah, over big undulations, there is slight "floatiness" with factory shocks; however, with Bilsteins, the motion is more abrupt over the same undulation (jerking) and not as smoooooth. There is slightly more body sway around corners than Bilsteins. And these observations are with heavier than stock tires (same size, but BFG AT).
In fact, Toyota has DIFFERENT shocks for the 3rd gen 4Runner, depending on TIRE SIZE! Bilsteins does not. Bilstein only differentiates 2wd from 4wd models.
So, in conclusion, IF you have stock springs & shocks, then do NOT upgrade to aftermarket stuff. That combo is the perfect compromise in my opinion. If you have aftermarket springs, then my recommendation goes out the window. "
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ballistice (03-13-22)
#10
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I am waiting for the reports in the future on crawl retrofitted '10-'13 base and '14+ base/premium models resold and new owners who report that their AVS/RAHC isn't working or they can tell the difference between modes. :-)
#11
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When I first got my car I couldn't tell a difference between the modes. Over time, the difference became more apparent, but it's definitely still subtle. Comfort is noticeably more bouncy than Sport. I'll switch to Sport for some highway interchanges near me but other than that I generally leave it in Normal.
I think the easiest way to tell is to drive over the same speed bump (or speed hump) in Sport and in Comfort.
I think the easiest way to tell is to drive over the same speed bump (or speed hump) in Sport and in Comfort.
#12
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For me, i went from stock to Bilsteins on my 2002 4runner. Huge disappointment. Ride was worst, kidney-hurting type ride, esp off-road with every rutted hill/hole. Sure handling was a bit better, but that is not that needed since 4runner is not a sports car. I actually went back to stock shocks.
So, even if AVS on my GX wears out, i will replace it with stock. No way i am going to Bilsteins. Pay to play i guess.
This was what i wrote back in the day regarding Bilsteins:
"As you know, on my '02 4runner, i changed my factory shocks to Bilsteins about 7 months ago. Bilsteins have always been one of the most highly recommended upgrade to the 4Runner (3rd gen). Thus, i thought it would help.
Since getting Bilsteins, i have noticed a few things:
- Ride is firmer...SIGNIFICANTLY firmer.
- Less body roll...slightly less.
- Less brake dive...excellent.
- Less wind wander...excellent.
- More control over bumps...yes, but ride is sacrificed. More jerkiness.
Well, today, i switched back to the factory (OEM--Tokico twin-tube low-pressure) shocks. Let me tell you, the ride is soooo much better! Sooo much smoother. You do not feel every zit in the pavement...let's not mention broken pavement. Yeah, over big undulations, there is slight "floatiness" with factory shocks; however, with Bilsteins, the motion is more abrupt over the same undulation (jerking) and not as smoooooth. There is slightly more body sway around corners than Bilsteins. And these observations are with heavier than stock tires (same size, but BFG AT).
In fact, Toyota has DIFFERENT shocks for the 3rd gen 4Runner, depending on TIRE SIZE! Bilsteins does not. Bilstein only differentiates 2wd from 4wd models.
So, in conclusion, IF you have stock springs & shocks, then do NOT upgrade to aftermarket stuff. That combo is the perfect compromise in my opinion. If you have aftermarket springs, then my recommendation goes out the window. "
So, even if AVS on my GX wears out, i will replace it with stock. No way i am going to Bilsteins. Pay to play i guess.
This was what i wrote back in the day regarding Bilsteins:
"As you know, on my '02 4runner, i changed my factory shocks to Bilsteins about 7 months ago. Bilsteins have always been one of the most highly recommended upgrade to the 4Runner (3rd gen). Thus, i thought it would help.
Since getting Bilsteins, i have noticed a few things:
- Ride is firmer...SIGNIFICANTLY firmer.
- Less body roll...slightly less.
- Less brake dive...excellent.
- Less wind wander...excellent.
- More control over bumps...yes, but ride is sacrificed. More jerkiness.
Well, today, i switched back to the factory (OEM--Tokico twin-tube low-pressure) shocks. Let me tell you, the ride is soooo much better! Sooo much smoother. You do not feel every zit in the pavement...let's not mention broken pavement. Yeah, over big undulations, there is slight "floatiness" with factory shocks; however, with Bilsteins, the motion is more abrupt over the same undulation (jerking) and not as smoooooth. There is slightly more body sway around corners than Bilsteins. And these observations are with heavier than stock tires (same size, but BFG AT).
In fact, Toyota has DIFFERENT shocks for the 3rd gen 4Runner, depending on TIRE SIZE! Bilsteins does not. Bilstein only differentiates 2wd from 4wd models.
So, in conclusion, IF you have stock springs & shocks, then do NOT upgrade to aftermarket stuff. That combo is the perfect compromise in my opinion. If you have aftermarket springs, then my recommendation goes out the window. "
#13
For the price, replacing the OEM shocks with the same is highway robbery when all they do is cater to the "epidural" (comfort) crowd that would be better served purchasing a unibody "SUV" that is essentially a passenger car pretending to have offroad capability. To impose shocks that provide "marshmallow handling" on the GX in the interest of "comfort" is a crime to those who know the difference.
#14
Pole Position
#15
That’s your opinion i guess. Sorry, been there, done that with Bilsteins (on stock springs). It’s several steps back in overall ride. Waste of money.