Front Struts and Rear Shocks
03-31-19, 04:51 AM
#46
Much higher unsprung weight + tall (and, yes stiffer) sidewall = ROUGH & stiff ride, harder to control, worst STEERING, and worst BRAKING!!
You mistake a rough and jarring ride to a "connected" and "controlled" ride. That's absolutely wrong.
Adding LT E-load tire to ANY vehicle does NOT improve anything.........except more load capacity (towing) and more puncture protection off-road (due to more tread layers and/or stronger sidewall).
You do NOT add LT tires (vs. P-metric) to improve ride or on-road handling!!!!! That's just bad advice you're giving to others.
You mistake a rough and jarring ride to a "connected" and "controlled" ride. That's absolutely wrong.
Adding LT E-load tire to ANY vehicle does NOT improve anything.........except more load capacity (towing) and more puncture protection off-road (due to more tread layers and/or stronger sidewall).
You do NOT add LT tires (vs. P-metric) to improve ride or on-road handling!!!!! That's just bad advice you're giving to others.
Last edited by tigmd99; 03-31-19 at 05:00 AM.
03-31-19, 10:57 AM
#47
Instructor
Much higher unsprung weight + tall (and, yes stiffer) sidewall = ROUGH & stiff ride, harder to control, worst STEERING, and worst BRAKING!!
You mistake a rough and jarring ride to a "connected" and "controlled" ride. That's absolutely wrong.
Adding LT E-load tire to ANY vehicle does NOT improve anything.........except more load capacity (towing) and more puncture protection off-road (due to more tread layers and/or stronger sidewall).
You do NOT add LT tires (vs. P-metric) to improve ride or on-road handling!!!!! That's just bad advice you're giving to others.
You mistake a rough and jarring ride to a "connected" and "controlled" ride. That's absolutely wrong.
Adding LT E-load tire to ANY vehicle does NOT improve anything.........except more load capacity (towing) and more puncture protection off-road (due to more tread layers and/or stronger sidewall).
You do NOT add LT tires (vs. P-metric) to improve ride or on-road handling!!!!! That's just bad advice you're giving to others.
03-31-19, 11:07 AM
#48
Pole Position
Much higher unsprung weight + tall (and, yes stiffer) sidewall = ROUGH & stiff ride, harder to control, worst STEERING, and worst BRAKING!!
You mistake a rough and jarring ride to a "connected" and "controlled" ride. That's absolutely wrong.
Adding LT E-load tire to ANY vehicle does NOT improve anything.........except more load capacity (towing) and more puncture protection off-road (due to more tread layers and/or stronger sidewall).
You do NOT add LT tires (vs. P-metric) to improve ride or on-road handling!!!!! That's just bad advice you're giving to others.
You mistake a rough and jarring ride to a "connected" and "controlled" ride. That's absolutely wrong.
Adding LT E-load tire to ANY vehicle does NOT improve anything.........except more load capacity (towing) and more puncture protection off-road (due to more tread layers and/or stronger sidewall).
You do NOT add LT tires (vs. P-metric) to improve ride or on-road handling!!!!! That's just bad advice you're giving to others.
You are absolutely correct about the fact that I have added 15lbs. of unsprung weight to each wheel. I was very concerned about this (and tire clearance/rubbing/alignment) before I got the tires and that’s why I started this thread. As it turned out these tires feel better in every aspect compared to the OEMs. The vehicle feel more planted and takes the bumpy stuff smoother. These tires make the vehicle feel more stable. Even the steering feels better. The handling also feels better at high speeds (highway). I noticed it as soon as took the first ride with the new tires. I’m an aggressive driver and run my vehicles at a fast pace, which demands a stable vehicle. I think the AVS and air springs have a lot to do with handling the extra weight so well.
Koz
I have found that many times shocks perform better when the tires provide more positive input via a stiffer sidewall ... versus vague input from a softer sidewall. May be counter intuitive, but LT-D and LT-E rated tires ... while heavier ... can provide improved ride as Koz has experienced and as I have experienced ... smoother ride with the stiffer sidewalls improving steering response and overall handling.
P-metric tires (intended for passenger cars) on a heavy (body-on-frame) SUV are many times marginally compatible from a load rating standpoint. I for one prefer to have my family riding on a level of margin from a safety standpoint.
03-31-19, 11:33 AM
#49
Copy from an earlier post on LT tires ...
You are absolutely correct about the fact that I have added 15lbs. of unsprung weight to each wheel. I was very concerned about this (and tire clearance/rubbing/alignment) before I got the tires and that’s why I started this thread. As it turned out these tires feel better in every aspect compared to the OEMs. The vehicle feel more planted and takes the bumpy stuff smoother. These tires make the vehicle feel more stable. Even the steering feels better. The handling also feels better at high speeds (highway). I noticed it as soon as took the first ride with the new tires. I’m an aggressive driver and run my vehicles at a fast pace, which demands a stable vehicle. I think the AVS and air springs have a lot to do with handling the extra weight so well.
Koz
I have found that many times shocks perform better when the tires provide more positive input via a stiffer sidewall ... versus vague input from a softer sidewall. May be counter intuitive, but LT-D and LT-E rated tires ... while heavier ... can provide improved ride as Koz has experienced and as I have experienced ... smoother ride with the stiffer sidewalls improving steering response and overall handling.
P-metric tires (intended for passenger cars) on a heavy (body-on-frame) SUV are many times marginally compatible from a load rating standpoint. I for one prefer to have my family riding on a level of margin from a safety standpoint.
You are absolutely correct about the fact that I have added 15lbs. of unsprung weight to each wheel. I was very concerned about this (and tire clearance/rubbing/alignment) before I got the tires and that’s why I started this thread. As it turned out these tires feel better in every aspect compared to the OEMs. The vehicle feel more planted and takes the bumpy stuff smoother. These tires make the vehicle feel more stable. Even the steering feels better. The handling also feels better at high speeds (highway). I noticed it as soon as took the first ride with the new tires. I’m an aggressive driver and run my vehicles at a fast pace, which demands a stable vehicle. I think the AVS and air springs have a lot to do with handling the extra weight so well.
Koz
I have found that many times shocks perform better when the tires provide more positive input via a stiffer sidewall ... versus vague input from a softer sidewall. May be counter intuitive, but LT-D and LT-E rated tires ... while heavier ... can provide improved ride as Koz has experienced and as I have experienced ... smoother ride with the stiffer sidewalls improving steering response and overall handling.
P-metric tires (intended for passenger cars) on a heavy (body-on-frame) SUV are many times marginally compatible from a load rating standpoint. I for one prefer to have my family riding on a level of margin from a safety standpoint.
I see tons of BMW X5 owners upgrading their tires to LT-E for the improved steering, handling, and braking!!
The rest of what you said is plain wrong. LOL. Seriously, really wrong. smh
03-31-19, 11:43 AM
#50
I prefer the handling from stiffer sidewalls and shocks as well, which is why I changed to load range E tires on my GX. Of course I am coming from a lowered Jeep SRT and can't stand driving on the stock passenger marshmallows.
03-31-19, 12:07 PM
#51
Pole Position
Ahhh Koz...i have known about him for over a decade here and T4r.org. Yeah, let's just say that his OPINIONs on matter are at times suspect.
I see tons of BMW X5 owners upgrading their tires to LT-E for the improved steering, handling, and braking!!
The rest of what you said is plain wrong. LOL. Seriously, really wrong. smh
I see tons of BMW X5 owners upgrading their tires to LT-E for the improved steering, handling, and braking!!
The rest of what you said is plain wrong. LOL. Seriously, really wrong. smh
03-31-19, 12:25 PM
#52
03-31-19, 12:36 PM
#53
Pole Position
So what IS "my argument" ? Are you capable of understanding that those who do not prefer "marshmallow handling" may be looking for alternatives outside of YOUR opinion ... that anything outside a Lexus R&D provided solution has ruinous consequences ?
03-31-19, 12:57 PM
#54
Much higher unsprung weight + tall (and, yes stiffer) sidewall = ROUGH & stiff ride, harder to control,worst STEERING, and worst BRAKING!!
These are facts dude. Sorry.
03-31-19, 01:14 PM
#56
Great...but that does not mean that you did the right thing....
You guys can do what you guys want (it is your $$)...but when you start to give out (incorrect) advice to other members, then don't be surprise if others call you out on it. I did not mention you because i have not seen you give out advice like ASE does repeatedly on this topic.
You guys can do what you guys want (it is your $$)...but when you start to give out (incorrect) advice to other members, then don't be surprise if others call you out on it. I did not mention you because i have not seen you give out advice like ASE does repeatedly on this topic.
03-31-19, 01:17 PM
#57
03-31-19, 01:21 PM
#58
According to who? It was most definitely the right thing for my personal preferences and driving style. Just because folks disagree with your modification ideology does not mean their choices are wrong or incorrect.
It is a fact that stiffer sidewalls produce better cornering and handling. No need to call others out if they share this with other members.
It is a fact that stiffer sidewalls produce better cornering and handling. No need to call others out if they share this with other members.
03-31-19, 01:25 PM
#59
Since you asked...you think that your LT-E tires can outperform stock tires? You think that you can pull more G's? Braking improved too? So, did you put on LT-E tires on your lowered-Jeep SRT to get better handling? If not, then why not? Just imagine what your Jeep SRT can do around the track with BFG KO2!!
To appease your nonsense, yes, I had higher load rated 22" tires (among other modifications) on my SRT and no, they weren't BFG ATs.
03-31-19, 01:25 PM
#60
Pole Position
Since you asked...you think that your LT-E tires can outperform stock tires? You think that you can pull more G's? Braking improved too? So, did you put on LT-E tires on your lowered-Jeep SRT to get better handling? If not, then why not? Just imagine what your Jeep SRT can do around the track with BFG KO2!!