Is Lexus killing (discontinuing) the GS Line ? (Merged threads)
03-06-18, 05:10 PM
#106
Lexus Test Driver
Could this be fake news from an anonymous source? It sounds like what CNN and MSNBC provides their audience on a regular basis...
03-06-18, 06:15 PM
#107
Pole Position
03-07-18, 12:35 AM
#108
Sure the market is moving towards crossovers, but if the very low volume selling Benz CLS, BM 6 Series & Audi A7 Fastbacks aren't being axed, then why should the better selling GS be axed?
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03-07-18, 08:27 AM
#110
Lexus Champion
I'll still wait for anything official from Lexus.
And for what it's worth, in 2017 the GS sold more than the LS, LX, LC, and RC. If sales were all that mattered, the Lexus line would already be much smaller.
And for what it's worth, in 2017 the GS sold more than the LS, LX, LC, and RC. If sales were all that mattered, the Lexus line would already be much smaller.
03-07-18, 08:53 AM
#111
If I was going to place bets either one or two things are happening-
-It's all BS and this is just a bunch of salesman crap to get people to buy slow moving inventory
OR
-The GS350 as we know it is going to die; but that doesn't mean the GS is gone entirely- I'm betting on a performance oriented re-roll in the next few years, with a motor similar to that TT V6 that's currently in the LS500.... maybe it only lives on as an F car, etc... plus adding AWD, but nobody will care, and everyone that really likes a GS350 will buy into it if its done right. There's an entire class of 4GS owners that would spend a few extra $$$ and move into that kind of car. Take the design cues from the LS500, downscale the size a little bit, emeril BAM, now you have a new sedan.
-Mike
-It's all BS and this is just a bunch of salesman crap to get people to buy slow moving inventory
OR
-The GS350 as we know it is going to die; but that doesn't mean the GS is gone entirely- I'm betting on a performance oriented re-roll in the next few years, with a motor similar to that TT V6 that's currently in the LS500.... maybe it only lives on as an F car, etc... plus adding AWD, but nobody will care, and everyone that really likes a GS350 will buy into it if its done right. There's an entire class of 4GS owners that would spend a few extra $$$ and move into that kind of car. Take the design cues from the LS500, downscale the size a little bit, emeril BAM, now you have a new sedan.
-Mike
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03-07-18, 08:58 AM
#112
Lexus Champion
^^^ I pretty much agree with Mike.
I think Lexus will further differentiate the GS and ES. In the earlier generations, they were much more dissimilar than they are now. The GS was a class size bigger, had more options, including a V8, etc.
With the current generation of ES and GS, they've made them the same size (when they moved the ES up to the Avalon size from Camry size), styled them much more similarly, etc.
I think the new ES will have the Avalon/Camry V6 (2GR-FKS) whereas the GS will move up to a TTV6 with a sleeker style.
I think Lexus will further differentiate the GS and ES. In the earlier generations, they were much more dissimilar than they are now. The GS was a class size bigger, had more options, including a V8, etc.
With the current generation of ES and GS, they've made them the same size (when they moved the ES up to the Avalon size from Camry size), styled them much more similarly, etc.
I think the new ES will have the Avalon/Camry V6 (2GR-FKS) whereas the GS will move up to a TTV6 with a sleeker style.
03-07-18, 09:35 AM
#113
^^^ I pretty much agree with Mike.
I think Lexus will further differentiate the GS and ES. In the earlier generations, they were much more dissimilar than they are now. The GS was a class size bigger, had more options, including a V8, etc.
With the current generation of ES and GS, they've made them the same size (when they moved the ES up to the Avalon size from Camry size), styled them much more similarly, etc.
I think the new ES will have the Avalon/Camry V6 (2GR-FKS) whereas the GS will move up to a TTV6 with a sleeker style.
I think Lexus will further differentiate the GS and ES. In the earlier generations, they were much more dissimilar than they are now. The GS was a class size bigger, had more options, including a V8, etc.
With the current generation of ES and GS, they've made them the same size (when they moved the ES up to the Avalon size from Camry size), styled them much more similarly, etc.
I think the new ES will have the Avalon/Camry V6 (2GR-FKS) whereas the GS will move up to a TTV6 with a sleeker style.
The 5th generation base GS will probably continue using a updated 2.0 liter i4 with a slight bump in hp to about 250hp.
The mid range model will receive the new 3.5l twin turbo V6 from the LS500 possibly in two separate tunes 350 and 420 hp for the F Sport.
The hybrid 5th generation GSh will gain AWD for the first time and get the 2GR-FXS 3.5l V6 with electric motors from the LS500h.
the top model GS-F should get the rumored 4.0l twin turbo V8 with roughly 600 hp and loads of torque, they hopefully will offer it with AWD to better compete in the snow belt market and to have better grip for when used during spirited driving.
Toyota/Lexus will never ever recuperate their billion dollar development cost spent to engineer the new RWD bias GA-L platform just depending on the sales of the LS, LC and future IS models. The Toyota Crown isn’t being discontinued in Japan and it shares literally everything with the GS mechanically. I just hope they style it like a 4 door coupé instead of a traditional sedan 3 box design. This rumor of the GS model dying is a hoax. I call bull****.
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03-07-18, 12:57 PM
#114
Lexus Champion
Everything is speculation at this point. But we do have this:
https://www.goauto.com.au/news/lexus...-09/57412.html
And we have this:
https://blog.caranddriver.com/toyota...ew-lexus-gs-f/
LEXUS Australia chief executive Peter McGregor has rejected reports that the next-generation GS large car has been cancelled, pointing instead to a possible evolution of the traditional sedan into a more fashionable coupe-style model.
And we have this:
Gazoo Racing will also have a relationship with Lexus’s F performance division going forward. Tomayama said that GR is already involved with developing a new Lexus GS F.
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03-07-18, 01:18 PM
#115
So regarding source, I can't give that info. Same situation as I stated a while back when I was given new engine and trans specs for the GS when the full redesign was on the table.
You can say I am full of ***** or what I am relaying is plausible. I am just letting the forum know what I was told from someone in the industry (not at the dealership level). I have no vested interest is seeing the line get killed off since I do like my GS quite a bit and am not ready to go to couch style driving (LS).
As I said, I hope this is not true or Lexus reverses course and moves forward with the redesign/engine/trans specs I was told previously.
You can say I am full of ***** or what I am relaying is plausible. I am just letting the forum know what I was told from someone in the industry (not at the dealership level). I have no vested interest is seeing the line get killed off since I do like my GS quite a bit and am not ready to go to couch style driving (LS).
As I said, I hope this is not true or Lexus reverses course and moves forward with the redesign/engine/trans specs I was told previously.
Last edited by Davenlei; 03-07-18 at 01:25 PM.
06-09-18, 07:41 PM
#116
I recently attended the Lexus Driving Tour and spoke with a corporate Lexus guy (not one of the folks from the marketing firm hosting the event). He confirmed the GS is being discontinued, although the GS-F will continue for a few more years. He added the LF-1 was approved for production and will be on sale in two years.
06-09-18, 08:18 PM
#117
Lead Lap
I recently attended the Lexus Driving Tour and spoke with a corporate Lexus guy (not one of the folks from the marketing firm hosting the event). He confirmed the GS is being discontinued, although the GS-F will continue for a few more years. He added the LF-1 was approved for production and will be on sale in two years.
Enthusiasts won't be attracted the ES but simply adding the F-Sport line can only help sales giving more options to the ES line (base, luxury, f-sport, hybrid). Although, most of the reviews confirm that even though the ES looks sharp and is probably the sportiest ES to date, it simply doesn't drive like a GS.
I know it probably won't happen but an AWD GS F would be great...hey we can always dream right??
Last edited by AJLex19; 06-09-18 at 08:29 PM.
06-09-18, 09:23 PM
#118
Interesting he would risk his job to leak important details about future product development & relase dates to a consumer. I work for a Toyota affiliate and we were just speaking about the rumored future Toyota sports car in lengthy conference call. I was reminded that Toyota has no tolerance policy for loose lipped employees who leak internal information.
Regarding the ES replacing the GS this dead horse has been kicked and beat beyond belief, at this point if Toyota decides to kick the bucket on fun to drive medium sized sport sedans I’m kinda over it and looking at buying a German daily driver once my 4GS bites the dust. All the 7ES reviews basically say the ES drives like a fancier Camry V6 or Hybrid which isn’t a terrible thing, but the exact reason why I would decide to walk away from the brand all together vowing never to return.
Regarding the ES replacing the GS this dead horse has been kicked and beat beyond belief, at this point if Toyota decides to kick the bucket on fun to drive medium sized sport sedans I’m kinda over it and looking at buying a German daily driver once my 4GS bites the dust. All the 7ES reviews basically say the ES drives like a fancier Camry V6 or Hybrid which isn’t a terrible thing, but the exact reason why I would decide to walk away from the brand all together vowing never to return.
06-09-18, 11:47 PM
#119
06-10-18, 10:19 AM
#120
Lead Lap
If the GS F had AWD, i'd probably be looking to trade up. I've seen some great deals on 2016 GS Fs lately in the $50-$55k range w/certification. If they continue with the GS F only, at least we can get great deals in four years on 2018/2019 GS350's :-)