"Sales of the Lexus GS were also down 40.6 percent to 1,524 units."
05-07-16, 05:52 PM
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I just bought a loaded 2016 GS 350 for $55,500 in New Orleans. I did a lot of shopping via calls to dealers in all the states around me. A dealer in Houston offered me $3,000 off sticker via email and my local dealer matched it. Options:
FEATURES
• Lexus Safety System Plus w/Adaptive Front Lighting (GL)
Includes Pre-Collision System (Includes pedestrian detection), All Speed Dynamic Radar Cruise Control, Intelligent High Beam, Lane Departure Alert System w/Steering Assist, Also Includes 1 LED headlam
• Luxury Package (LL)
Includes Heated Rear Seats, Power Rear Sunshade, Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS), Adaptive Variable Suspension (Includes sport S+ mode), Rear Climate & Audio Controls, Rear Manual Side Sun Shades
• Mark Levinson Premium Surround Sound Audio System (ML)
Includes 17 Green Edge speakers, Class D digital amplifier with ultra-low crossover distortion, 835 watts of continuous power at less than 0.1% Total Harmonic Distortion (THD), 7.1-channel speaker arc
• One-Touch Power Trunk (OT)
• Intuitive Park Assist (IPA) (PA)
• Preferred Accessory Package (Z1)
FEATURES
• Lexus Safety System Plus w/Adaptive Front Lighting (GL)
Includes Pre-Collision System (Includes pedestrian detection), All Speed Dynamic Radar Cruise Control, Intelligent High Beam, Lane Departure Alert System w/Steering Assist, Also Includes 1 LED headlam
• Luxury Package (LL)
Includes Heated Rear Seats, Power Rear Sunshade, Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS), Adaptive Variable Suspension (Includes sport S+ mode), Rear Climate & Audio Controls, Rear Manual Side Sun Shades
• Mark Levinson Premium Surround Sound Audio System (ML)
Includes 17 Green Edge speakers, Class D digital amplifier with ultra-low crossover distortion, 835 watts of continuous power at less than 0.1% Total Harmonic Distortion (THD), 7.1-channel speaker arc
• One-Touch Power Trunk (OT)
• Intuitive Park Assist (IPA) (PA)
• Preferred Accessory Package (Z1)
05-07-16, 06:35 PM
#108
Me too
Is this RWD or AWD? Look like it misses the HUD display and Triple LED Headlamps. I also searched yesterday for this model, but I found one, $61,085, at Lexus of Riverside California. Here's the link: http://www.lexusofriverside.com/Vehi...-CA/2758749843. I love GS350 Luxury than F-Sport one.
05-08-16, 08:19 PM
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Lexus tries to sell obsolete technology packaged in a well made, reliable package but that does not work for a modern buyers anymore.
Keeping the same 3.5 liter engine as the top engine in GS for almost 20 years is a disrespect to Lexus buyers. The current F sport is slower than a lower-end 3-series - BMW 328. Lexus has to either up their game or stop positioning their cars as sporty. Hell, Q50 now has a 400 hp turbo 6.
I don't even want to mentioned the ancient 6-speed auto in all-wheel drive models. Why can't they put the 8-speed auto in those cars?
Keeping the same 3.5 liter engine as the top engine in GS for almost 20 years is a disrespect to Lexus buyers. The current F sport is slower than a lower-end 3-series - BMW 328. Lexus has to either up their game or stop positioning their cars as sporty. Hell, Q50 now has a 400 hp turbo 6.
I don't even want to mentioned the ancient 6-speed auto in all-wheel drive models. Why can't they put the 8-speed auto in those cars?
05-08-16, 08:32 PM
#111
Lexus Fanatic
All evidence is that it does work. This particular model isn't doing well, but Lexus on the whole is doing very well, better than ever.
When they put the incentives back you'll see. Volume will be back in the high teens, low 2000s again.
And the 3.5L has been around since 2007. Last time I checked, 2007 was 9 years ago, not 20. The GS has had many engines over the past 20 years. Inline 6, V6, V8...two V8s actually.
The engine thing is a big deal on forums. The vast majority of buyers don't know what engine is new, what engine is old, etc.
When they put the incentives back you'll see. Volume will be back in the high teens, low 2000s again.
And the 3.5L has been around since 2007. Last time I checked, 2007 was 9 years ago, not 20. The GS has had many engines over the past 20 years. Inline 6, V6, V8...two V8s actually.
The engine thing is a big deal on forums. The vast majority of buyers don't know what engine is new, what engine is old, etc.
Last edited by SW17LS; 05-08-16 at 08:37 PM.
05-08-16, 08:46 PM
#112
Lexus tries to sell obsolete technology packaged in a well made, reliable package but that does not work for a modern buyers anymore.
Keeping the same 3.5 liter engine as the top engine in GS for almost 20 years is a disrespect to Lexus buyers. The current F sport is slower than a lower-end 3-series - BMW 328. Lexus has to either up their game or stop positioning their cars as sporty. Hell, Q50 now has a 400 hp turbo 6.
I don't even want to mentioned the ancient 6-speed auto in all-wheel drive models. Why can't they put the 8-speed auto in those cars?
Keeping the same 3.5 liter engine as the top engine in GS for almost 20 years is a disrespect to Lexus buyers. The current F sport is slower than a lower-end 3-series - BMW 328. Lexus has to either up their game or stop positioning their cars as sporty. Hell, Q50 now has a 400 hp turbo 6.
I don't even want to mentioned the ancient 6-speed auto in all-wheel drive models. Why can't they put the 8-speed auto in those cars?
05-08-16, 08:54 PM
#113
Lexus Test Driver
This 9 yrs old engine can keep up with a brand new twin turbo Maserati Ghibli. 
And I've played with some Lambos and Ferraris and of course I got played in the end once the dude stepped on it. 
But I can continue to drive for the next 3 hours without problems cause it's so reliable. Can't say the same for those exotics.
Yea I'd like more power but I don't wanna lose the bulletproof reliability.
And I've played with some Lambos and Ferraris and of course I got played in the end once the dude stepped on it. But I can continue to drive for the next 3 hours without problems cause it's so reliable. Can't say the same for those exotics. Yea I'd like more power but I don't wanna lose the bulletproof reliability.
05-08-16, 09:45 PM
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Sorry, my mistake. The last Lexus sedan I liked was 1998 GS400 and that year got stuck in my memory. BTW, that model which by now is 18 years old was faster than 2016 GS 350..
I am not saying that Lexus cars do not sell, though they mostly sell Camry/Avalon based ES. I am saying they cannot sell obsolete technology anymore.
I am not saying that Lexus cars do not sell, though they mostly sell Camry/Avalon based ES. I am saying they cannot sell obsolete technology anymore.
05-09-16, 05:15 AM
#115
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There has been many threads complaining about the 8 speed transmission. I for one think the 6 speed can never find the right gear, so adding two more just makes that problem even worse. The 8 speed may be really smooth, but you'll be searching for power the whole time.
05-09-16, 05:44 AM
#116
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by SBM1206
Sorry, my mistake. The last Lexus sedan I liked was 1998 GS400 and that year got stuck in my memory. BTW, that model which by now is 18 years old was faster than 2016 GS 350..
I am not saying that Lexus cars do not sell, though they mostly sell Camry/Avalon based ES. I am saying they cannot sell obsolete technology anymore.
I am not saying that Lexus cars do not sell, though they mostly sell Camry/Avalon based ES. I am saying they cannot sell obsolete technology anymore.
As to your other point. That FWD Avalon based ES has exactly the same technology. That engine is the same since 2007. The technology and engine isn't the issue.
05-09-16, 07:44 AM
#117
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Sorry, my mistake. The last Lexus sedan I liked was 1998 GS400 and that year got stuck in my memory. BTW, that model which by now is 18 years old was faster than 2016 GS 350..
I am not saying that Lexus cars do not sell, though they mostly sell Camry/Avalon based ES. I am saying they cannot sell obsolete technology anymore.
I am not saying that Lexus cars do not sell, though they mostly sell Camry/Avalon based ES. I am saying they cannot sell obsolete technology anymore.
05-09-16, 08:34 AM
#118
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I wouldnt call the 3.5L obsolete. It's really just missing a turbo or two and another 100hp or so. The gas savings really come in the form of smaller engines and during idle or stop and go traffic. Also, manufacturers tout the power of a v8 with the fuel economy of a v6. In reality its a v6 producing the power of a v8 with the fuel economy of a v8. No free lunch when it comes to power.
That *is* sort of obsolete. The 3.0L turbo in the 340i (and soon 540i) is what you call a modern engine.
05-09-16, 11:16 AM
#119
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There is a reason that Lexus/Toyota reliability is always #1.
