Why is the GS so unpopular?
04-20-15, 09:26 PM
#31
Yup, the new C-class interior rocks. The interior is the best I've seen in its class and even a class above. Crazy. Two things tho: smaller than the GS, and the reliability is still an unknown.
04-20-15, 10:23 PM
#33
C300 good looking outside and inside, very powerful 2.0 turbo, and reasonably slick for a four, with very good ride and handling.
However, I haven't gotten over my 2002 C Class 90 degree V6's repair history. Only 66,000 miles in 13 years, yet the heater cost me $3.5k, the ignition switch cost me $2.9k, the alternator cost me $1.5k, and so far I'm not interested in spending $4.5k to replace the air con. The plastics on the steering wheel, dash and door trims have all "melted", or weeping oil, or whatever you call it.
About to trade in this old C Class for 2015 4GS...
However, I haven't gotten over my 2002 C Class 90 degree V6's repair history. Only 66,000 miles in 13 years, yet the heater cost me $3.5k, the ignition switch cost me $2.9k, the alternator cost me $1.5k, and so far I'm not interested in spending $4.5k to replace the air con. The plastics on the steering wheel, dash and door trims have all "melted", or weeping oil, or whatever you call it.
About to trade in this old C Class for 2015 4GS...
04-21-15, 01:03 PM
#34
Lexus Fanatic
I drove the C Class, its very nice but not anything I would consider replacing the GS with. Its MUCH smaller, and also not as refined or solid feeling.
04-21-15, 03:37 PM
#35
ES: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html
Genesis: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html
Hyundai Genesis is only ES' price, yet ES sells 72k/year, while Genesis only sells 30k/year, while Q70 & XF sell 5k a piece.
Infiniti Q70: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/01...sa-canada.html
Jag XF: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html
Unless we do an "objective" survey on all the real buyers, no one will really/truly know why each model sells in such quantities.
Keep in mind that:
1) Consumers tend to focus on badge and exterior styling the most.
2) Consumers generally notice the exterior styling much more than the interior styling.
So, subjectively, off the "top" of my head, I'd say that:
Genesis doesn't have the name or styling of ES.
Infiniti has both name and styling problems.
While Jag has name problem, and is too small inside.
E & 5 don't look flash outside, but E & 5 have the badge and that extra bit of lift in their styling needed to sell 70K & 50K units/year respectively.
4GS name only falls short of Benz and Beamer, so 4GS only needs a "lift" in exterior styling to sell like old 3GS back in 2005 & 2006 which managed to pass 33k & 27k respectively.
Btw, mass consumers are less interested in extremes in horsepower.
Mass consumers are also not that keen on V8's either; so a V8 is great for enthusiasts, but won't sell that many to the mass public - most of those E & 5's are four cylinder turbos!
Hopefully this has addressed the OP's concerns.
Ultimately, it's up to the individual buyer whether they want to go it alone, or follow the masses.
Enthusiasts tend to go it alone.
Btw, does anyone know what happened to Sicklex/LexFather with >70k posts???
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Genesis: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html
Hyundai Genesis is only ES' price, yet ES sells 72k/year, while Genesis only sells 30k/year, while Q70 & XF sell 5k a piece.
Infiniti Q70: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/01...sa-canada.html
Jag XF: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html
Unless we do an "objective" survey on all the real buyers, no one will really/truly know why each model sells in such quantities.
Keep in mind that:
1) Consumers tend to focus on badge and exterior styling the most.
2) Consumers generally notice the exterior styling much more than the interior styling.
So, subjectively, off the "top" of my head, I'd say that:
Genesis doesn't have the name or styling of ES.
Infiniti has both name and styling problems.
While Jag has name problem, and is too small inside.
E & 5 don't look flash outside, but E & 5 have the badge and that extra bit of lift in their styling needed to sell 70K & 50K units/year respectively.
4GS name only falls short of Benz and Beamer, so 4GS only needs a "lift" in exterior styling to sell like old 3GS back in 2005 & 2006 which managed to pass 33k & 27k respectively.
Btw, mass consumers are less interested in extremes in horsepower.
Mass consumers are also not that keen on V8's either; so a V8 is great for enthusiasts, but won't sell that many to the mass public - most of those E & 5's are four cylinder turbos!
Hopefully this has addressed the OP's concerns.
Ultimately, it's up to the individual buyer whether they want to go it alone, or follow the masses.
Enthusiasts tend to go it alone.
Btw, does anyone know what happened to Sicklex/LexFather with >70k posts???
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Last edited by peteharvey; 04-23-15 at 06:51 AM.
04-22-15, 03:49 AM
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Nice pun, not sure if intentional or not, that was one thing that bothered me was lexus simply took a decent car and just F'd it up and added a bigger rpice tag (simply adding f sport badging and styling que's).
04-22-15, 08:06 AM
#38
04-22-15, 12:24 PM
#40
[QUOTE=jmoney6;9010739]Nice pun, not sure if intentional or not, that was one thing that bothered me was lexus simply took a decent car and just F'd it up and added a bigger rpice tag (simply adding f sport badging and styling que's).[/QUOTE
Can't agree. The suspension/brake/interior/drive mode upgrades make a better performance model in every case and seem pretty cost effective to me. If you don't like F Sports, don't buy them!
Can't agree. The suspension/brake/interior/drive mode upgrades make a better performance model in every case and seem pretty cost effective to me. If you don't like F Sports, don't buy them!
04-22-15, 12:26 PM
#41
[quote=gsct;9011372][quote=jmoney6;9010739]nice pun, not sure if intentional or not, that was one thing that bothered me was lexus simply took a decent car and just f'd it up and added a bigger rpice tag (simply adding f sport badging and styling que's).[/quote
Can't agree. The suspension/brake/interior/drive mode upgrades make a better performance model in every case and seem pretty cost effective to me. If you don't like f sports, don't buy them!
Can't agree. The suspension/brake/interior/drive mode upgrades make a better performance model in every case and seem pretty cost effective to me. If you don't like f sports, don't buy them!
04-22-15, 02:27 PM
#42
Lexus Test Driver
04-22-15, 04:38 PM
#43
Interior, built quality and reliability sold me. I don't need to have more things to think about when I'm out of the office. 
I may end up with another 4GS. After almost 3 years I still think it's the best in its class.Peteharvey,
For some reason I thought you already have a 4GS. Look forward to to seeing your new ride.
04-24-15, 05:58 AM
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I also think the dash and console is the best-looking in its class. And if the consumer wanted a less sterile exterior/interior styling the Infiniti Q70 would be selling like hotcakes.
I think the primary reasons for low sales are lagging awareness of what the brand stands for (people still think Lexus is soft and for older folks) and having a similarly sized, less expensive car (the ES) in its lineup. Most consumers don't care that the GS and ES drive differently or that one is RWD vs. FWD because it is still a Lexus.
Mercedes has the CLS, Audi has the A7 and BWM has the 6 Gran Coupe, but all are more expensive than their more pedestrian sedan counterparts. Lexus has the ES.
I think the primary reasons for low sales are lagging awareness of what the brand stands for (people still think Lexus is soft and for older folks) and having a similarly sized, less expensive car (the ES) in its lineup. Most consumers don't care that the GS and ES drive differently or that one is RWD vs. FWD because it is still a Lexus.
Mercedes has the CLS, Audi has the A7 and BWM has the 6 Gran Coupe, but all are more expensive than their more pedestrian sedan counterparts. Lexus has the ES.
04-24-15, 07:17 AM
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I had some simple requirements and Lexus GS ended up being the only option
I wanted a midsize luxury car.
A reliable car (so no Audi, BMW, Mercedes )
RWD or AWD with minimum 300 HP.
The, Lexus GS was the only car that seemed to meet all these criteria’s.
But honestly, even today, when I see one in the street, it’s still pretty difficult to distinguish between an ES and a GS….That was a big downside in my decision making, but again, no other cars seemed to meet my criteria’s.
I wanted a midsize luxury car.
A reliable car (so no Audi, BMW, Mercedes )
RWD or AWD with minimum 300 HP.
The, Lexus GS was the only car that seemed to meet all these criteria’s.
But honestly, even today, when I see one in the street, it’s still pretty difficult to distinguish between an ES and a GS….That was a big downside in my decision making, but again, no other cars seemed to meet my criteria’s.