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Hifiman1 Jan 25, 2020 11:59 PM

Mark Levinson 5.1 format's?
 
Hello, what format's can the mark Levinson 2016+ GS 350 play?

I could get a DVD-A disk to work but it would keep repeating while driving? It worked fine with the parking brake engaged.

I burned a DTS CD with 5.1 24/44.1khz wav files and it would read and count, but would output no audio?

Does surround sound on or off matter? Is there an auto play option?

Cwang Jan 27, 2020 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Hifiman1 (Post 10717047)
Hello, what format's can the mark Levinson 2016+ GS 350 play?

Not nearly as many as it should. Basic DVDs really. 2ch LPCM is the best sounding format you'll get out of it. AC3 is the best surround you'll get. It's up to 448kbit so shouldn't sound as poor as MP3s.


Originally Posted by Hifiman1 (Post 10717047)
I could get a DVD-A disk to work
I burned a DTS CD with 5.1 24/44.1khz wav files and it would read and count, but would output no audio?

I'd love to be wrong but I believe that you wouldn't be hearing the DTS mix you're paying for, it'll play the backup AC-3 or LCPM mix.
Our cars don't play high quality audio.

Originally Posted by Hifiman1 (Post 10717047)
Does surround sound on or off matter? Is there an auto play option?

That's just simulating surround with 2ch files, it sounds awful so leave it off. It chops out the mids.

Hifiman1 Jan 27, 2020 09:53 PM

DTS is capable of 1536kbs via DVD video/ Audio though.

Cwang Jan 27, 2020 11:19 PM


Originally Posted by Hifiman1 (Post 10718777)
DTS is capable of 1536kbs via DVD video/ Audio though.

It's a shame our car doesn't support DTS! I wasted so much media until that clicked.

Hifiman1 Jan 27, 2020 11:38 PM

So much for my wasted effort converting music to DTS WAV's.

What are my options for media in 5.1 then?

Am I stuck with dvd-A and DVD video then?

I'm trying to figure out what format's will play on these two format's then.

Cwang Jan 28, 2020 12:09 AM


Originally Posted by Hifiman1 (Post 10718812)
So much for my wasted effort converting music to DTS WAV's.

Know the feeling

Originally Posted by Hifiman1 (Post 10718812)
What are my options for media in 5.1 then?

Basically AC-3 (Dolby Digital). I still think a 2 channel LPCM sounds better.

Originally Posted by Hifiman1 (Post 10718812)
Am I stuck with dvd-A and DVD video then?

Yes. DVD-A may play because they often have a Dolby Digital or 2 channel mix too - this is my experience. Not really a premium system for such an expensive vehicle but it doesn't exactly sound poor!

Hifiman1 Jan 28, 2020 12:33 AM

That begs the question, can I just convert my 6 channel WAV to AC3 with ffmpegX and burn it to a DVD?

Will that play without an issue or title screen?

Cwang Jan 28, 2020 02:09 AM

Yep, I don't see why not. Don't make menus or any of that crap, it makes playing them impossible (like Pulse). Remember the standard only allows 448 or whatever kbps in 5.1 dolby. I think that most albums in 'surround' sound better in LPCM 2ch @ 1536kbps - how many audio DVDs do you have that actually have a proper surround mix? Unless it was mixed by Steven Wilson it's probably just a stereo mix that has a % faded up back with more strings etc - the case with Nightwish's 5.1 cd. Still cool though. I'd love to get Porcupine Tree's catalogue in 5.1.

The Dark Side Of The Moon is a good quad mix which makes full use of the soundstage (sounds like it was made as a demo of the technique, it can be distracting).

I'd love to see what you're making, do post your progress. I spent hours learning how it all works. I'd like to think we could have a library of surround DVDs to enjoy in our cars!

Hifiman1 Jan 28, 2020 06:33 AM

I enjoyed nightwishes 5.1 live surround SACD even how it was mixed.

The only cars with descrete surround are Lexus ML and Acura ELS.

Hifiman1 Jan 28, 2020 12:00 PM

I think I got it figured out. I use sonore DSD to FLAC or use foobar or Jriver conversion.

Then use popcorn mkv for high res FLAC to AC3 640kbps 6 channel.

I currently have the surcode DTS DVD .WAV encoder. Which might be why the DTS CD didn't output audio. But like you said before, DTS cannot be played with the system right?

The audio system is only capable of AC3 or Dolby digital for surround correct?

Cwang Jan 28, 2020 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by Hifiman1 (Post 10719354)
But like you said before, DTS cannot be played with the system right?
The audio system is only capable of AC3 or Dolby digital for surround correct?

Yes, that's what my testing has led me to believe. Just keep in mind that AC3 can be coded into 640kbps but the DVD standard maxes out at 448.
Now here's a question, does our vehicle support 6 channel MP2? The standard supports 48 kHz sampling rate, 1 to 7.1 channels, up to 912 kbit/s. I might give that a go.


Originally Posted by Hifiman1 (Post 10718945)
I enjoyed nightwishes 5.1 live surround SACD even how it was mixed.

The one I've listened to was the DVDA version of the studio album Once - sounds great but really only a 3 channel mix, with the vocals faded out in the rear. Yet to hear From Wishes To Eternity(I'm assuming that's what you have), I think I have End Of An Era somewhere, keen to give that a go too - one of my favourite concerts.

Hifiman1 Jan 28, 2020 02:43 PM

Yep 448kbps cap for DVD. What layer is being used for DVD audio if DTS isn't supported then? Must be marketing then.

Cwang Jan 29, 2020 12:19 AM


Originally Posted by Hifiman1 (Post 10719555)
Yep 448kbps cap for DVD. What layer is being used for DVD audio if DTS isn't supported then? Must be marketing then.

If you're referring to DVD-A then it'll probably still have a dolby 5.1 and 2.0 coded alongside the main DVD-A track - there's room for it all. Most DVD-A's should play in any DVD player given the dolby mix is there too - but it won't sound better than a standard DVD.
As for Lexus spending more money on marketing the 'surround' system than paying for a proper decoder - this is true. In their defense DVD-A never took off and people think bluetooth and streaming sound good - they're giving the market what they want.


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