2008 Lexus GS 460/350 press release (merged threads)
09-05-07, 03:24 PM
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Lexus has been unconcerned about the GS for a while now and this is just the latest iteration. It's the lame duck of Lexus. The ES is their bread and butter sedan, IS is the sporty entry sedan, and the LS is their showcase and everything that they stand for.
Make no mistake about it, this car isn't important to them. The ES is the same size and pulls in many of the same clientele based on that alone, and they sell a hell of a lot more of them.
2006 was a joke with engines, and yet again Lexus has shown that they are not concerned with making this car competitive within it's segment. I almost feel like it's a viscous cycle...they pay the least attention to the GS because it's the lowest volume...but it's the lowest volume because they pay so little attention to the car that it fails to be as competitive as the class leaders. This car is dying on the vine, and I don't know how they think they can get another 3-4 years out of this bodystyle.
I guess we can all start dreaming about the redesign, but if history repeats itself, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Make no mistake about it, this car isn't important to them. The ES is the same size and pulls in many of the same clientele based on that alone, and they sell a hell of a lot more of them.
2006 was a joke with engines, and yet again Lexus has shown that they are not concerned with making this car competitive within it's segment. I almost feel like it's a viscous cycle...they pay the least attention to the GS because it's the lowest volume...but it's the lowest volume because they pay so little attention to the car that it fails to be as competitive as the class leaders. This car is dying on the vine, and I don't know how they think they can get another 3-4 years out of this bodystyle.
I guess we can all start dreaming about the redesign, but if history repeats itself, I wouldn't hold my breath.
09-05-07, 03:42 PM
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SAD DAY FOR GS
So we pay 60K for a V8 power car and will not get Direct Injection engine which is available In IS350 ( even though it is a v6 ). GS is getting step brother treatment when compared to LS. We were expecting atleast 382 hp . Very poor decision by Lexus Executives. I was very eagerly looking to buy GS460 next year now I will look at GS450H.
So we pay 60K for a V8 power car and will not get Direct Injection engine which is available In IS350 ( even though it is a v6 ). GS is getting step brother treatment when compared to LS. We were expecting atleast 382 hp . Very poor decision by Lexus Executives. I was very eagerly looking to buy GS460 next year now I will look at GS450H.
09-05-07, 04:01 PM
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I was planning on upgrading my GS to an 08,but I think I will search out an '07 350,too bad my dealer only has a starfire/beige left over.I may have to call around to find a GFM/ash full loaded
The '08 just does not do it for me.
The '08 just does not do it for me.
09-05-07, 04:03 PM
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Lexus has been unconcerned about the GS for a while now and this is just the latest iteration. It's the lame duck of Lexus. The ES is their bread and butter sedan, IS is the sporty entry sedan, and the LS is their showcase and everything that they stand for.
Make no mistake about it, this car isn't important to them. The ES is the same size and pulls in many of the same clientele based on that alone, and they sell a hell of a lot more of them.
2006 was a joke with engines, and yet again Lexus has shown that they are not concerned with making this car competitive within it's segment. I almost feel like it's a viscous cycle...they pay the least attention to the GS because it's the lowest volume...but it's the lowest volume because they pay so little attention to the car that it fails to be as competitive as the class leaders. This car is dying on the vine, and I don't know how they think they can get another 3-4 years out of this bodystyle.
I guess we can all start dreaming about the redesign, but if history repeats itself, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Make no mistake about it, this car isn't important to them. The ES is the same size and pulls in many of the same clientele based on that alone, and they sell a hell of a lot more of them.
2006 was a joke with engines, and yet again Lexus has shown that they are not concerned with making this car competitive within it's segment. I almost feel like it's a viscous cycle...they pay the least attention to the GS because it's the lowest volume...but it's the lowest volume because they pay so little attention to the car that it fails to be as competitive as the class leaders. This car is dying on the vine, and I don't know how they think they can get another 3-4 years out of this bodystyle.
I guess we can all start dreaming about the redesign, but if history repeats itself, I wouldn't hold my breath.
I did post a speculative thread when the 5ES came out, and it seemed that they had a pattern of design every-other then as well. Difference is, the ES has been a big hit every time, except the 1ES.
From the bean counters perspective the minimal changes makes sense. They appear to be content to have the GS V8 engine improved, but no extra effort. The exterior changes are also minimal, but they do add a bit to the first L-finesse design.
The Catch-22 about the GS is well-put. IMO until Lexus fully resolves the ES vs. GS conundrum the GS will remain more of a niche vehicle.
Now my question is, why? re: the 342 hp V8. I'd like to hear an official explanation, or at least from official sources. Someone speculated elsewhere that it was to pay for the cost of the 1UR-FE development. Or perhaps to pay for the GS development. Or is there some fitment issue with the GS? And is there direct injection or not? The press releases remain confusing.
09-05-07, 04:08 PM
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Lexus offers the gasoline 2008 GS in two models, the V6 GS 350 and the V8 GS 460GS 460. The GS 350 is available in rear- and all-wheel-drive models with respective 2008 EPA-estimated fuel mileage ratings of 19/27 mpg and 18/25 mpg city/highway, with the GS 460 achieving an EPA-estimated fuel-mileage rating of 17/24 mpg city/highway
I am so disapointed. The car (well with new EPA ratings) has dismal gas mileage. Would have been fine with 380hp, not 342.
Magazines ALREADY HAVE the GS 350 doing 0-60 in the low to mid 5s. If the GS 460 cannot beat that, it is redundant.
Lexus is not trying hard enough with the GS.
Very sad.
Lexus offers the gasoline 2008 GS in two models, the V6 GS 350 and the V8 GS 460GS 460. The GS 350 is available in rear- and all-wheel-drive models with respective 2008 EPA-estimated fuel mileage ratings of 19/27 mpg and 18/25 mpg city/highway, with the GS 460 achieving an EPA-estimated fuel-mileage rating of 17/24 mpg city/highway
I am so disapointed. The car (well with new EPA ratings) has dismal gas mileage. Would have been fine with 380hp, not 342.
Magazines ALREADY HAVE the GS 350 doing 0-60 in the low to mid 5s. If the GS 460 cannot beat that, it is redundant.
Lexus is not trying hard enough with the GS.
Very sad.the gs460 is 17/24 on gas mileage. the ls460 has 40 more horses and still rated 16/24. wtf...... not to mention a lot of gs owners they get more than 24mpg in real life. i really don't see why they want to detune the engine
09-05-07, 04:11 PM
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Perhaps it is this policy of 'hybrid car must be the most powerful'?
09-05-07, 04:22 PM
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Yes, add that to the list of possible reasons. Why would Lexus keep the GS 460 V8 from operating at its fullest potential? The GS 450h has proven to be a niche car...The RX 350 output pretty much matched the RX 400h...
Perhaps it is this policy of 'hybrid car must be the most powerful'?
Perhaps it is this policy of 'hybrid car must be the most powerful'?