exhaust flange bolts
#1
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exhaust flange bolts
2002 GS300
Just purchased mine! (preemptive thank you!)
I bought it with an exhaust leak that I hunted down to the exhaust flange gaskets ( by soapy water and a blower in the tail pipe. I purchased two new ones, installed, and the leak was coming out the bottom of the flange connector (by the bottom bolt). I assumed I messed up the install somehow (I hope I did so it's not something serious), but I sanded/wire brushed all the rust off and make sure the mating surfaces were clean as could be, used alcohol to further clean the surfaces and installed the gaskets. One thing I did notice was the bolts were not spring bolts, but standard M10x1.5 for all three. Should I get Toyota spring bolts? Or should I get some high temp silicone RTV gasket sealer and cover some of the metal surfaces?
I also had a small hole in the mid pipe literally on the weld for the down stream O2 sensor, I search the forums for this already and did not find anything about it, so I put some of the thermal steel paste on it and it quieted the ride quit a bit. So hopefully it's just the weird mating surface that can be fixed with the gasket sealer stuff.
Any thoughts?
Beau
Just purchased mine! (preemptive thank you!)
I bought it with an exhaust leak that I hunted down to the exhaust flange gaskets ( by soapy water and a blower in the tail pipe. I purchased two new ones, installed, and the leak was coming out the bottom of the flange connector (by the bottom bolt). I assumed I messed up the install somehow (I hope I did so it's not something serious), but I sanded/wire brushed all the rust off and make sure the mating surfaces were clean as could be, used alcohol to further clean the surfaces and installed the gaskets. One thing I did notice was the bolts were not spring bolts, but standard M10x1.5 for all three. Should I get Toyota spring bolts? Or should I get some high temp silicone RTV gasket sealer and cover some of the metal surfaces?
I also had a small hole in the mid pipe literally on the weld for the down stream O2 sensor, I search the forums for this already and did not find anything about it, so I put some of the thermal steel paste on it and it quieted the ride quit a bit. So hopefully it's just the weird mating surface that can be fixed with the gasket sealer stuff.
Any thoughts?
Beau
#2
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Congratulations.
Are we talking about the resonator (the large piece, before the tail pipe exits at the back)? The flange is straight nut-bolt. There is a grove for the gasket and one has ensure the packing sits in the groove (if it slips out, you will get a leak).
Most important thing is that the hangers must be aligned in a way that the flange faces are parallel to each other (the two halves that you are trying to bring together must be in a straight line. The faster just brings them together.
You can visit an exhaust shop and visit to the dealer is not necessary.
Salim
Are we talking about the resonator (the large piece, before the tail pipe exits at the back)? The flange is straight nut-bolt. There is a grove for the gasket and one has ensure the packing sits in the groove (if it slips out, you will get a leak).
Most important thing is that the hangers must be aligned in a way that the flange faces are parallel to each other (the two halves that you are trying to bring together must be in a straight line. The faster just brings them together.
You can visit an exhaust shop and visit to the dealer is not necessary.
Salim
#3
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No it's not the resonator, it's the flange from the header manifold, and going into the mid pipe. It's right behind the front wheels. I don't see a hanger until the rear wheels where there appears to be a brace going perpendicular to the vehicle. I will obtain pictures tomorrow for clarification.
#4
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No it's not the resonator, it's the flange from the header manifold, and going into the mid pipe. It's right behind the front wheels. I don't see a hanger until the rear wheels where there appears to be a brace going perpendicular to the vehicle. I will obtain pictures tomorrow for clarification.
Salim
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I bought the FelPro ones from Orielly's. I installed them and they still leaked. Called Lexus and the parts were $15. I might use them instead. I've heard both great and awful things about FelPro, so I'm not sure what to do at this point.
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#8
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Yeah I sanded it all down, used a plastic scraper to not damage the metal, wire brushed it, and used alcohol to clean it all. My gasket is super small though. Maybe a centimeter wide. The ones that were almost gone were the same thing, just rusted and falling apart. Link below to the ones I have, do they look OEM to you?
https://www.oreillyauto.com/shop/b/e...+flange+gasket
Thank you for all the replies!
https://www.oreillyauto.com/shop/b/e...+flange+gasket
Thank you for all the replies!
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Is it made of a lot of metal rings? Personally I would just get OEM. $17 is not a lot and you can find it on Amazon
https://www.lexussouthatlantaparts.c...driveLine=8065
https://www.lexussouthatlantaparts.c...driveLine=8065
#10
Just to exclude the obvious... you are torquing the bolts correctly? The gaskets are the correct diameter? The flanges aren’t bent? You know the leak isn’t coming from somewhere else? When cold, if you put your hand near the joint do you you feel the air leak?
You could always double up on the gaskets. I did that when one of my flanges were bent.
Good luck
You could always double up on the gaskets. I did that when one of my flanges were bent.
Good luck
#11
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Just to exclude the obvious... you are torquing the bolts correctly? The gaskets are the correct diameter? The flanges aren’t bent? You know the leak isn’t coming from somewhere else? When cold, if you put your hand near the joint do you you feel the air leak?
You could always double up on the gaskets. I did that when one of my flanges were bent.
Good luck
You could always double up on the gaskets. I did that when one of my flanges were bent.
Good luck
The flanges don't look bent, but when the vehicle is cold I shove my shop vac into the tail pipe and put a glove on the other pipe and spray soapy water on the entire thing. Nothing was blowing bubbles except for the O2 sensor hole which I used QuikSteel on to close up, and the flange area. As for the gaskets, I broke down and ordered the parts directly from Lexus. The old flange gaskets fell apart when I took them out, so I don't know how they were supposed to look, the Fel Pro seem very slim and carboardy though. I'll update tomorrow when I put everything back together. I might try to double them up too, or use some high temp gasket sealer/maker
#12
I doubt that shop vac has enough umph to expose a leak in the gasket; in fact the o2 sensor must’ve been really loose if bubbles came out.
Still if it’s leaking from the flange/gasket, you be able to hear it from under the car. Or you could start the car, let it warm up and place a piece of paper near it and see if it blows around.
Still if it’s leaking from the flange/gasket, you be able to hear it from under the car. Or you could start the car, let it warm up and place a piece of paper near it and see if it blows around.
#13
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So it wasn't he O2 sensor, it was the welding around it, it had an almost perfect round hole, which I thought was supposed to be there, but I guess not. The gaskets literally fell apart in my hand, but the shop vac was pushing enough to show bubbles and soapy water. I thought it was only leaking from the gasket, but once I replaced them (it quieted down a little the first time) I figured I'd spray everything since it's all kind of rusty down there anyway, and I found another hole.
I mean the gaskets shouldn't be leaking at all, right? It's not meant to let air past it?
I mean the gaskets shouldn't be leaking at all, right? It's not meant to let air past it?
#14
So it wasn't he O2 sensor, it was the welding around it, it had an almost perfect round hole, which I thought was supposed to be there, but I guess not. The gaskets literally fell apart in my hand, but the shop vac was pushing enough to show bubbles and soapy water. I thought it was only leaking from the gasket, but once I replaced them (it quieted down a little the first time) I figured I'd spray everything since it's all kind of rusty down there anyway, and I found another hole.
I mean the gaskets shouldn't be leaking at all, right? It's not meant to let air past it?
I mean the gaskets shouldn't be leaking at all, right? It's not meant to let air past it?