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Yes we have it. We have two SUVs and two carsOriginally Posted by mmarshall
Don't want to get too far off-topic, but you still have it? I thought you sold it off (or donated it) when you got your new 4Runner.
Anyways, it’s good that Tesla hit the top 3 for satisfaction.
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here's a theory... CR consumers are probably more cautious and thoughtful in their purchases, and more took those things into consideration before they bought and so they pretty much knew a tesla would work for them. thus the high ratings.Originally Posted by rominl
back to the report itself, personally i am surprised that so many tesla made it to the list. to me the challenge is still the charging infrastructure, making the tesla ownership population very skewed from cities to cities. i actually thought more people would complain about the charging and make it a factor to ding on ownership experience. guess the pluses in other areas out-weighed it.
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they are still looking at a lot of headwind though, with more players getting into EV and the traditional big dogs picking it up as well. at that point, build quality, fit and finish, and dealership service quality will all kick in much harder.
There are many factors in consumer preferences of course, but yes, the sheer variety of EVs we'll have in the next few years will raise the tide for all boats.they are still looking at a lot of headwind though, with more players getting into EV and the traditional big dogs picking it up as well. at that point, build quality, fit and finish, and dealership service quality will all kick in much harder.
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Also notable was Car and Driver, basically the anti-CR if there ever were one, in its comments this year about what's the best electric car. Even a decade on, they were very impressed by the Tesla Model S's performance. But they were also very impressed that their test car sprouted a defective wheel bearing on their nearly new example only about a thousand miles into the test, and they rightly pointed out that today's car buyers have the right to expect better in basic aspects of carbuilding.
Notice, this not to say that Teslas are not satisfying — Consumer Reports surveys confirm they are. It's just to say that their problems are not confined to panel gaps.
CR's biggest complaint was fit and finish. That's quality control, not reliability. They also mentioned AP, which is not reliability.Originally Posted by LexWannabe
As a longtime Consumer Reports subscriber, I can assure you that the memes you've heard about this aspect of the Consumer Reports surveys are mistaken. Yes, they measure that, but only as one element of a multi-element weighted average. You can look up the ratings at your local library and confirm this for yourself.Also notable was Car and Driver, basically the anti-CR if there ever were one, in its comments this year about what's the best electric car. Even a decade on, they were very impressed by the Tesla Model S's performance. But they were also very impressed that their test car sprouted a defective wheel bearing on their nearly new example only about a thousand miles into the test, and they rightly pointed out that today's car buyers have the right to expect better in basic aspects of carbuilding.
Notice, this not to say that Teslas are not satisfying — Consumer Reports surveys confirm they are. It's just to say that their problems are not confined to panel gaps.
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There are many factors in consumer preferences of course, but yes, the sheer variety of EVs we'll have in the next few years will raise the tide for all boats.
how do they set the survey pool? only from subscribers? or random selections from current owners? i hope it's the later case otherwise it can be very skewed.Originally Posted by bitkahuna
here's a theory... CR consumers are probably more cautious and thoughtful in their purchases, and more took those things into consideration before they bought and so they pretty much knew a tesla would work for them. thus the high ratings.There are many factors in consumer preferences of course, but yes, the sheer variety of EVs we'll have in the next few years will raise the tide for all boats.
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i believe it's only from subscribers which if true, agreed... VERY skewed, or rather, the fix is in... virtue-signaling at its finest... we fill out the surveys, and the 'results' confirm and congratulate us in every decision we made... Originally Posted by rominl
how do they set the survey pool? only from subscribers? or random selections from current owners? i hope it's the later case otherwise it can be very skewed.

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With CR, yes, it is from subscribers....goes out every year. With J.D. Power, apparently more at random. I am not officially registered with Power (although I once served on a focus-group with them many years ago)...yet have gotten their long questionnaire a couple of times. They sent me one for my Encore GX, but not my several previous vehicles.Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i believe it's only from subscribers which if true, agreed...
Power (and a few other research-firms) also likes to slip in a green one or five-dollar bill in the envelope with the surveys....CR doesn't do that kind of stuff.
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Just as concerninig about Tesla is that when you do have either a failure or a crash, you're at the mercy of their service network with few or no indie options, and I've heard extensive accounts that it's extremely hit-and-miss. The no-muss buying experience is a big plus that gains them a ton of customer goodwill, but for those who run into problems later, this aspect can give a lot of it right back. Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
This is paramount for myself and a lot of people. I want my vehicle to work each and every time. My 2004 4R never lost a day on the road until 2019 when I had a number of issues come up. Build quality is stellar …. Features always work. Very satisfying. Out 09 Matrix never lost a day on the road either until very recent where it had a transmission sensor go bad….Not sure how a Tesla will hold up out of warranty…or year 10+. .Edmunds has a long list of issues for their S model they had in their long term test. Many different ways to measure satisfaction
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Is this any different than weighing in on a forum, comments on a you tube channel etc.?Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i believe it's only from subscribers which if true, agreed... VERY skewed, or rather, the fix is in... virtue-signaling at its finest... we fill out the surveys, and the 'results' confirm and congratulate us in every decision we made...
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I agree. Was offered OEM as well as aftermarket replacement parts. I do think it is possible to take a Tesla to a non Tesla repairOriginally Posted by LexWannabe
Just as concerninig about Tesla is that when you do have either a failure or a crash, you're at the mercy of their service network with few or no indie options, and I've heard extensive accounts that it's extremely hit-and-miss..
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The no muss buying expensive is no different to the no muss buying experience of paying MSRP…all someone has to say “I want to pay MSRP” for that fancy Mercedes or whatever brand it is. There are brands out there that currently have no haggle experiences. Originally Posted by LexWannabe
The no-muss buying experience is a big plus that gains them a ton of customer goodwill, but for those who run into problems later, this aspect can give a lot of it right back
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if you're trying to do quantitative research with the results, i'd says it's enormously different. CR subscribers are not 'the general public'.Originally Posted by LexBob2
Is this any different than weighing in on a forum, comments on a you tube channel etc.?
and forum/youtube comments? LOL
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and forum/youtube comments? LOL
But CR and others have PhD level statisticians and actual data scientists to tune out noise and their volumes are such that this is more than possible. CR claims to get well over 300,000 individual surveys back each year for their researchers to parse. CR also doesn't pay for survey responses and nor do they accept advertising, so there's little reason to doubt their motives (referencing the ludicrous claims in the thread that Lucid etc pay for the Car of the Year awards and so on)Originally Posted by bitkahuna
if you're trying to do quantitative research with the results, i'd says it's enormously different. CR subscribers are not 'the general public'.and forum/youtube comments? LOL
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The no muss buying expensive is no different to the no muss buying experience of paying MSRP…all someone has to say “I want to pay MSRP” for that fancy Mercedes or whatever brand it is. There are brands out there that currently have no haggle experiences.
Not quite the same. The problem with the typical dealer network, where the dealers can set their own pricing, it puts pressure on the buyer to know how to haggle. Same goes for the no haggle dealers that compete with other same branded regular dealers. People may feel like they're getting a good deal, but in actuality, you could get a better deal somewhere else. In the US, when you go to a store to purchase a TV, you don't haggle with the salesperson. You pay the price listed.Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
...The no muss buying expensive is no different to the no muss buying experience of paying MSRP…all someone has to say “I want to pay MSRP” for that fancy Mercedes or whatever brand it is. There are brands out there that currently have no haggle experiences.
Tesla sells their vehicles at their listed price. No one feels uncomfortable, or pressured. It's really the way all cars should be sold.
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i believe it's only from subscribers which if true, agreed... VERY skewed, or rather, the fix is in... virtue-signaling at its finest... we fill out the surveys, and the 'results' confirm and congratulate us in every decision we made...
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Jeep, Tesla and Lincoln filled the bottom of the list, which was the result of a survey of over 300,000 2019-2021 model year cars owned by Consumer Reports members.
From CR:Jeep, Tesla and Lincoln filled the bottom of the list, which was the result of a survey of over 300,000 2019-2021 model year cars owned by Consumer Reports members.
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Tesla’sModel 3 has average reliability. The Model Y still has body hardware issues with the tailgate and door alignment, paint defects, and multiple other problems. The Model X and Model S have body hardware, climate system, and in-car electronics problems. All three models are well below average.
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Tesla’sModel 3 has average reliability. The Model Y still has body hardware issues with the tailgate and door alignment, paint defects, and multiple other problems. The Model X and Model S have body hardware, climate system, and in-car electronics problems. All three models are well below average.
You'll may have a higher chance something wrong in your Tesla especially at the beginning where some quality issue needs fixing but its far more convenient than any other car i've owned. 1 visit to dealer for faulty FM module in 2.5 years. Other than getting new tires, no other maintenance accept air filter which anyone can replace ($40). I've driven 25k miles and pay $0 for fuel...The ownership cost is ridiculous.
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yup, definitely the most trouble free car i have had. my 12v batter died but tesla sent someone out the next day and battery replaced for free. just like you i replaced the ac filter in 10 mins, the thing about no maintenance is so good. some jokes saying i am just driving a very expensive toaster appliance, i am ok with that as long as it's trouble free Originally Posted by EZZ
You'll may have a higher chance something wrong in your Tesla especially at the beginning where some quality issue needs fixing but its far more convenient than any other car i've owned. 1 visit to dealer for faulty FM module in 2.5 years. Other than getting new tires, no other maintenance accept air filter which anyone can replace ($40). I've driven 25k miles and pay $0 for fuel...The ownership cost is ridiculous.









