What an amazing concept. Pay $200 so you can’t drive your car and instead you can go on Facebook

$2400 per year :egads:

Actually it'll be pretty damn common with these self driving cars. People already do it while driving their regular cars.

Your car is slower than mine so what does that statement prove?

Not much to see here, honestly. If you buy FSD you get the hardware upgrade for free. These cars are all 2+ years old, subscription just came out now. That's hardly a ripoff, but they should give you a bill credit on FSD subscription until X months and your $1500 is all paid back.

The fact that FSD doesn't FSD after this many years is the real complaint. Since it doesn't transfer to other cars I'm sure many people no longer have the car and got almost zero value from their FSD purchase.

Not much really. He purposefully screws around with Teslas on a highway with his slow Lexus and its really a douche move.

Some are about to get the boot from this thread with immature commentary. Back on topic, maturely and politely folks.

Yeah, and I guess Tesla owners aren't *******s.

xjokerz, exit this thread.

Yeah, so why did you bother constantly mentioning how FSDs failings don't matter since the car is fast? If a car has a system it should work at least as well as the driver can perform the same actions or it's useless.

Sure he is being an ass if he actually does mess with people using FSD but it doesn't have anything to do with how you personally view the FSD system as "fine" since you normally directly control the car. It's not really the point of this thread how fast or not a car is but rather does the system work and how much it costs.



As far as my view goes I prefer the subscription in theory so I can buy it for a long trip and not have to pay so much for something I'll only use maybe 20 times over 10 years.........this is all provided the system itself (car its mounted in aside) drives at least as well as I do when I have been up for 20+ hours. If it can't it just won't be used in my case since I would only use it to take entirely over for me so I can rest if I've been up too long.

He was targeting anyone with a Tesla, not FSD. Also, I've never defended FSD...its a beta product that people buy because they are tech enthusiasts. They should just offer Enhanced Autopilot which is just the freeway stuff with lane changes. All the future city stuff isn't worth it.

Beta9 is friggin awesome from a tech perspective, the way it recognized and visualizes in real time and uses all that input to drive is astounding. Warts and all, it's cool as hell. This is the future like it or not, and I don't see any other way than trial by fire meaning AI learning in real traffic situations. Anything that thinks geofenced, limited scenarios is going to achieve FSD is in for a rude awakening.

Of note, notice this is the Tesla FSD thread not the general FSD thread. That's because no one else has anything worth talking about.

It's called the Tesla FSD thread because only Tesla with its "balls as big as church bells" calls it's driving assistance features "full self driving" when it isn't and with endless legalese to try to keep them out of lawsuits.

But it is pretty impressive as shown here:

That definitely is very impressive! :thumbup:

Did a quick Google search to verify the bolded statement. Waymo gives legitimate full self-driving capability to vehicles (Pacifica, Prius, I-Pace, and others). I personally think that's worth talking about, but not for this thread as this is specific to Tesla's driver assistance system (Tesla FSD). As a driver assistance system, Tesla FSD is one of the best.

Multiple sites are reporting that Tesla dropped the upgrade price to $1000, so I’m not sure where the get it free if you buy FSD info is coming from. I don’t think anybody is upgrading without purchasing FSD.