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LeX2K Feb 14, 2023 02:52 PM

That triggers the petrol head part of me. Electric Ferrari, blasphemy.

lexusnyca Feb 14, 2023 02:54 PM

EVs aren't a threat to Ferrari from a sales perspective. The EV threat to Ferrari is that governments force them to go all EV, and their customers don't want them (the hybrids are enough electrification for sports cars). Let's see how Porsche does with the 718 EV - but the 718 didn't sell anyway, so any improvement with the 718 EV isn't much of a hurdle.

AMIRZA786 Feb 14, 2023 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by LeX2K (Post 11449859)
That triggers the petrol head part of me. Electric Ferrari, blasphemy.

That is blasphemy. Ferrari, Lambo ect should stick with ICE. Maybe mild hybrid to give them an edge off the line

LeX2K Feb 14, 2023 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by AMIRZA786 (Post 11449865)
That is blasphemy. Ferrari, Lambo ect should stick with ICE. Maybe mild hybrid to give them an edge off the line

No sure if serious.

A 1500hp EV with the soul of a Ferrari sounds good. Figuratively speaking since it makes no sound. :chicken:

AMIRZA786 Feb 14, 2023 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by lexusnyca (Post 11449862)
EVs aren't a threat to Ferrari from a sales perspective. The EV threat to Ferrari is that governments force them to go all EV, and their customers don't want them (the hybrids are enough electrification for sports cars). Let's see how Porsche does with the 718 EV - but the 718 didn't sell anyway, so any improvement with the 718 EV isn't much of a hurdle.

I don't think so either. If a Ferrari/Lambo/Porsche buyer wants an EV the'll just buy a Tesla

AMIRZA786 Feb 14, 2023 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by LeX2K (Post 11449873)
No sure if serious.

A 1500hp EV with the soul of a Ferrari sounds good. Figuratively speaking since it makes no sound. :chicken:

I've talked to plenty of exotic car owners, and I don't think most of this generation would even contemplate an EV drivetrain. If I was buying a Ferrari it would be for the engine/sound. If I'm just looking to go fast and use it as a daily, Plaid

LeX2K Feb 14, 2023 03:41 PM

What do people honestly want? Relatively slow gas guzzler that makes tons of noise or a silent rocket?

Speaking of silent rocket why doesn't Tesla hand build a few Roadster 2's? Make 50 a year and call it a day.

AMIRZA786 Feb 14, 2023 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by LeX2K (Post 11449892)
What do people honestly want? Relatively slow gas guzzler that makes tons of noise or a silent rocket?

Speaking of silent rocket why doesn't Tesla hand build a few Roadster 2's? Make 50 a year and call it a day.

Well I wouldn't call a Ferrari or Lambo slow LOL. If you are spending $250,000 to over $2 million on an exotic car, you are buying it for the visceral experience, not just speed. Again if I was buying a Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche, I wouldn't want it to have electric motors. I would buy a Tesla for that. Sorry, putting electric motors in exotics should be off limits unless it's a mild hybrid for performance. Later on as the demographic buyers change than maybe it will become acceptable

LeX2K Feb 14, 2023 04:22 PM

I hear what you're saying I feel the same way. But at the same time having an EV blow away your mega buck car is embarrassing no matter how much soul the car has.

LexFinally Feb 14, 2023 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by LeX2K (Post 11449917)
I hear what you're saying I feel the same way. But at the same time having an EV blow away your mega buck car is embarrassing no matter how much soul the car has.

With multiple brands of EV able to achieve near-supercar acceleration, I think acceleration simply isn't going to seem as exclusive in the future. Hell, the last gen Accord could blow away a '60s muscle car in a straight line. And all this is happening just as road congestion and surveillance leaves drivers with less and less opportunity to use that power.

LeX2K Feb 14, 2023 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by LexFinally (Post 11449932)
Hell, the last gen Accord could blow away a '60s muscle car in a straight line.

That's a different discussion, 60 year old car vs. contemporary.

And all this is happening just as road congestion and surveillance leaves drivers with less and less opportunity to use that power.
This is true. If you decide to use all your Plaid's power on public roads you'll probably get arrested.

swajames Feb 14, 2023 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by LexFinally (Post 11449932)
With multiple brands of EV able to achieve near-supercar acceleration, I think acceleration simply isn't going to seem as exclusive in the future. Hell, the last gen Accord could blow away a '60s muscle car in a straight line. And all this is happening just as road congestion and surveillance leaves drivers with less and less opportunity to use that power.

I don't know, EVs are already able to beat "supercar" acceleration, at least until speeds get over 150 or so. Even more extreme acceleration is the next frontier, getting to 60 in well under 2 seconds and persisting until closer to 200 or so. The other area for development is handling, there's some room for improvement there. But there's no supposed supercar that comes close to say a Plaid relative to each MSRP. It takes a lot of $$$ to beat one.

AMIRZA786 Feb 15, 2023 09:25 AM

Wow, Tesla has been a busy little bee building out that charging network

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.clu...63b0d26035.jpg

Source: Washington Post (credit to mmarshall for posting the link in his thread)

bitkahuna Feb 15, 2023 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by lexusnyca (Post 11449862)
EVs aren't a threat to Ferrari from a sales perspective. The EV threat to Ferrari is that governments force them to go all EV, and their customers don't want them (the hybrids are enough electrification for sports cars). Let's see how Porsche does with the 718 EV - but the 718 didn't sell anyway, so any improvement with the 718 EV isn't much of a hurdle.


Originally Posted by AMIRZA786 (Post 11449865)
That is blasphemy. Ferrari, Lambo ect should stick with ICE. Maybe mild hybrid to give them an edge off the line


Originally Posted by AMIRZA786 (Post 11449878)
I've talked to plenty of exotic car owners, and I don't think most of this generation would even contemplate an EV drivetrain. If I was buying a Ferrari it would be for the engine/sound. If I'm just looking to go fast and use it as a daily, Plaid

EU has just announced no new ICE sales after 2030 (just 7 years away). so enthusiasts better start liking ev's. and exotic car makers have obviously done a ton with hybrid tech and can and will no doubt go full soon.

lexusnyca Feb 15, 2023 10:22 AM

There is more to driving a sports car than just straight line power and speed. Weight is the key component. These EVs are too heavy with current technology, even the hybrid sports cars face a struggle to keep the weight down with the batteries and motors and regen brakes, etc. And few sports cars have carbon fiber tubs.


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