Mercedes outsources most of their UI or least they will with their new software. Most companies do this. Telsa, lucid all these companies will eventually outsource their UI as well as it’s far less expensive that having an in house design team. When they do it…is anyones guess

 

Thats what they should do, leave UI design to those who do it well

 

Nobody can say you didn't try . You get an "A" for the excellent write up, an "F" for wasting precious internet storage space

 

Really not called for to make it so personal towards me. (You originally wrote something very viscous and then you changed it)

At some point they will or they will go broke. I don’t know all the companies but many companies used to own their own steel mills or companies making these types of parts for their cars…I am sure GM owned their own window glass company at some point. Guarantee VW and MB had all that as well. Right now I think GM has their own in house super cruise team…but that will eventually be gutted once it’s perfected. I think Toyota is already at level 3 autonomous but they don’t do it all in house.. I think Toyota “says” they brought their UI “in house” with their tundra and NX…but I am not really sure that is the full case. At some point Tesla will become a lot more simpler to design and roll out….usually the first great product is really the best (original S). But the refresh has more streamlined interior manufacturing and cost cutting in places one doesn’t see inside such as fixed seat belts, no more door lighting, lack of colour keyed interior bits…etc etc. the new Tesla 3 is a little more simpler than the S to manufacturer so the quality is getting better and better as manufacturing becomes more simple and this shows on the surveys you are starting to see with Tesla 3 being better than Tesla S quality.

But hey…aren’t we talking Lucid here? I think the new product is an excellent effort…bugs and all…but it is very very expensive. 1000hp.

 

Not sure why you are taking that personal..I was poking fun at Geko's expense

 

wow, lots of assumptions here.

you have NO way of knowing that unless you have inside knowledge. for example, because they're building them in single digit numbers, they may have a ton of DIAGNOSTIC software that runs when the car is 'started' to make sure every battery cell is in operating range, and any number of others tests, that must complete before the guages actually work. that would not be a bug, that would be a cautious design.
at some point they may be able to make it faster, but aside inside knowledge, there's no way to know that it's a bug.

i disagree unless it's windows 95.

again the gauges may not become live because of other things going on that just firing up the ui.

believe what you want. i'll say again, i'd love for lucid to succeed because i love competition. they've DESIGNED a great (expensive) car, that they can only make in tiny numbers. that is a huge problem. and their software has been ripped by just about every reviewer.

they have inconsistent paint and fitment issues, but the platform has been rock solid high quality. from what i've read those problems are becoming and as they get more capacity available, they should be able to improve ship quality.

outsourcing is exactly what has caused companies like toyota to be so far behind with suppliers that were happy to deliver the same OLD stuff year after year. tesla obviously has strived to be mostly vertically integrated and rapid improvement. if you can pull it off, it's a GIANT advantage.
not sure what brought that on, because it wasn't directly about lucid?

relax, that reply was to geko29.

funny, that didn't happen to companies like apple.

 

Apple outsources almost every single thing they manufacture. A completely different company manufacturers their products.

Ha. I was referring to manufacturing.. Toyota UI has always been outsourced, it works every single time because it is so basic and simple…the new UI I am willing to be will very problematic. To master manufacturing, you have to eliminate/reduce or have minimal defects. Has Hyundai master their engine building? With all their engine fires..I think not….see the point?

 

LOL yes, I was giving him a "hint hint". It was an attempt at humor that either wasn't timed right, or fell flat. Pick one . And no, it wasn't directed at anyone. When I maker personal insults, I do it directly

 

If outsourcing is more profitable and in general better then why not farm out everything. Easier and cheaper. Profit.

For some reason companies like Apple, AMD, Nvidia, Tesla and others are heavy into doing all their software in house. Now given the most profitable by % auto maker is the most vertically integrated I'd like to hear a case as to why doing the opposite is the way to go.

 

outsource manufacturing, yes, but design and code everything.

toyota's infotainment systems have been like a jitterbug phone. simple... and dumb.

https://www.lively.com/phones/

the new lexus nx infotainment seems much more sophisticated but quirky and buggy so far, so you're right.

let's not get into hyundai here. but tesla has worked RELENTLESSLY to reduce the number of parts... so the manufacturing of such pieces is enormously complicated, but it can result in simpler 'assembly' and less problems down the road.

back to lucid, they have a looooooooong way to go. the model S came out 10 years ago or so, but it was only a step toward large scale manufacturing. tesla is really all about the 3 and Y. lucid will have to decide if they want to remain a expensive luxury car manufacturer or want to go more mainstream (MUCH harder). if they remain a luxury car maker though, they will have bmw, mercedes, lexus, and others to deal with. mercedes, like them or not, is already shipping thousands of electric luxury vehicles. i suspect many lucid sales have been lost to mercedes already.

 

exactly. hardware design is really important, but software is the secret sauce.

 

Apple already outsources all of their manufacturing. A LOT of Apple IT is outsourced already.

 

This is the biggest problem with Lucid. They are not going to beat other auto makers in producing affordable cars for a very long time if ever that leaves the ultra luxury segment which is damn near impossible to crack.

 

You said auto makers are going to out source their software because it's better, cheaper and easier. Apple does the opposite and they also design their own hardware including processors. The manufacturing end is a commodity (computing devices are far simpler than cars) Apple doesn't currently need to do it themselves.

The most critical aspects of Apple's business is controlled in house by Apple. Sounds familiar.

 

Apple is a software company. Not a carmaker. The issue is when vehicle engineers try and design a UI, they should leave that to companies who focus on and excel at designing a UI...like Apple.

If Apple all of a sudden started designing and manufacturing cars, they would be as bad at that as car manufacturers are at designing a GUI.