Tesla Business & News Thread Pt. 2
I see it because I have eyes.
There is a reason why it is in the news. Because it is monumentally stupid to shut down current chargers and to replace them when the need for charging has been growing. There is no requirement to pick a sole provider. It's completely up to them. But this is 100% about Elon. He knew it is coming too, so he planned accordingly with extra stations just outside the turnpike.
But you can see it too, just like you (and I) saw it with $250 year EV fee that is more than the typical ICE tax. But my bias didn't let me act like it didn't exist. Just stated why it happened. And stuff like this will happen more. And there will be a definitive pattern to where it happens. Same people will deny the pattern. And when retaliation happens, they will suddenly see it and cry foul. Won't end well for anybody.
There is a reason why it is in the news. Because it is monumentally stupid to shut down current chargers and to replace them when the need for charging has been growing. There is no requirement to pick a sole provider. It's completely up to them. But this is 100% about Elon. He knew it is coming too, so he planned accordingly with extra stations just outside the turnpike.
But you can see it too, just like you (and I) saw it with $250 year EV fee that is more than the typical ICE tax. But my bias didn't let me act like it didn't exist. Just stated why it happened. And stuff like this will happen more. And there will be a definitive pattern to where it happens. Same people will deny the pattern. And when retaliation happens, they will suddenly see it and cry foul. Won't end well for anybody.
Apparently the RFP went out years ago before his involvement in the current administration. Like Steve said, NJTA has historically done sole source contracts for the gas stations so it’s not a surprise that they do the same for EV charging. Ultimately, I think it comes down to 2 things: 1) Money with AG sharing a cut of the revenues with NJTA 2) Lack of trust in Tesla to adhere to the NEVI standards. Per Tesla’s website, it looks like some SCs do have the ability to take a credit card, but I can’t find any details which makes sense considering Tesla’s make up the bulk of EVs, plug and charge support, and most people don’t have an issue downloading the app. The politicking doesn’t help, but money can help ignore all sorts of other issues.
Do I agree with the decision? No, because getting a non-Tesla EV would’ve been a nonstarter if the SC network didn’t open up and with NACS becoming the standard moving forward, an adapter or the magic dock for older CCS vehicles seem like reasonable accommodations to me. I’m also glad I rarely ever have to go on the parkway and turnpike
I see it because I have eyes.
There is a reason why it is in the news. Because it is monumentally stupid to shut down current chargers and to replace them when the need for charging has been growing. There is no requirement to pick a sole provider. It's completely up to them. But this is 100% about Elon. He knew it is coming too, so he planned accordingly with extra stations just outside the turnpike.
But you can see it too, just like you (and I) saw it with $250 year EV fee that is more than the typical ICE tax. But my bias didn't let me act like it didn't exist. Just stated why it happened. And stuff like this will happen more. And there will be a definitive pattern to where it happens. Same people will deny the pattern. And when retaliation happens, they will suddenly see it and cry foul. Won't end well for anybody.
There is a reason why it is in the news. Because it is monumentally stupid to shut down current chargers and to replace them when the need for charging has been growing. There is no requirement to pick a sole provider. It's completely up to them. But this is 100% about Elon. He knew it is coming too, so he planned accordingly with extra stations just outside the turnpike.
But you can see it too, just like you (and I) saw it with $250 year EV fee that is more than the typical ICE tax. But my bias didn't let me act like it didn't exist. Just stated why it happened. And stuff like this will happen more. And there will be a definitive pattern to where it happens. Same people will deny the pattern. And when retaliation happens, they will suddenly see it and cry foul. Won't end well for anybody.
1. Tesla chargers require using their app to charge while the Applegreen chargers doesnt. (although Tesla stated they were willing to make the change. IMO this should have already been done vs making promises now the contract is up)
2. Apple green chargers are compatible with all EVs unlike the Tesla chargers (although again these could be upgraded but weren't before the contract came to an end)
3. Apple green chargers allow vehicles that are cable of 800v charging to charge at the EV max speed vs Tesla chargers.
4. The turnpike is getting a 5-10% cut of the profits or revenue (not sure which) from Apple green
I would also assume each rest station can power grid can only support x number of chargers. Ideally, leaving the Tesla chargers + adding the Apple green chargers would be best but may not have been an option.
The New Jersey Turnpike picked a sole provider when they selected Tesla. Now that they choose a different sole provider its a problem? Is it a problem that they switched from Shell to Sonoco as their sole provider for fuel as well?
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Just brought in my MY for lower strut noise and driver's seat squeak, the app did require me to agree to a diagnostic fee, which stated would be waived if it turned out to be a warranty issue. I think people can safely assume what is a warrantable item and should just agree it it, even though it does leave a bit of a sour taste
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So Chic-Fil-A is the only food available on the NY Thruway? I looked at the website, and that definitely isn't true. I see numerous restaurants. And everyone knows Chic-Fil-A is closed on Sundays. They knew it too. They only became a problem when they didn't like how Chic-Fil-A donated some of it's money. Lawmakers in NY put the reason in a letter to the governor, and it had nothing to do with their hours.
It was all over the news about Chick fil A being closed on Sundays and that creating an issue with the Thruway.
New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/30/n...p-sundays.html
Legal maneuvering to try and force CFA to open on Sundays despite the contract having no requirement for them to do so:
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2023/12/20/chick-fil-a-hours-sundays-proposed-bill-aims-for-7-day-operation-ny-thruway-rest-stops-restaurants/71959179007/
https://totalfood.com/ny-state-assembly-thruway-battle-sunday-chick-fil-a/
I see it because I have eyes.
There is a reason why it is in the news. Because it is monumentally stupid to shut down current chargers and to replace them when the need for charging has been growing. There is no requirement to pick a sole provider. It's completely up to them. But this is 100% about Elon. He knew it is coming too, so he planned accordingly with extra stations just outside the turnpike.
But you can see it too, just like you (and I) saw it with $250 year EV fee that is more than the typical ICE tax. But my bias didn't let me act like it didn't exist. Just stated why it happened. And stuff like this will happen more. And there will be a definitive pattern to where it happens. Same people will deny the pattern. And when retaliation happens, they will suddenly see it and cry foul. Won't end well for anybody.
There is a reason why it is in the news. Because it is monumentally stupid to shut down current chargers and to replace them when the need for charging has been growing. There is no requirement to pick a sole provider. It's completely up to them. But this is 100% about Elon. He knew it is coming too, so he planned accordingly with extra stations just outside the turnpike.
But you can see it too, just like you (and I) saw it with $250 year EV fee that is more than the typical ICE tax. But my bias didn't let me act like it didn't exist. Just stated why it happened. And stuff like this will happen more. And there will be a definitive pattern to where it happens. Same people will deny the pattern. And when retaliation happens, they will suddenly see it and cry foul. Won't end well for anybody.
This has nothing to do with Tesla specifically. This is just the state of NJ changing providers for their EV service on the turnpike, just like they do with everything else as contracts end and a bidding process happens for a new contract. You didn't answer my question as to why this is different than when they changed fuel providers from Shell to Sunoco a few years ago. You didn't answer because it isn't any different.
Last edited by SW17LS; Jun 2, 2025 at 12:01 PM.
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Depends on the rest stop but many of them only have Chick fil A.
It was all over the news about Chick fil A being closed on Sundays and that creating an issue with the Thruway.
New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/30/n...p-sundays.html
Legal maneuvering to try and force CFA to open on Sundays despite the contract having no requirement for them to do so:
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2023/12/20/chick-fil-a-hours-sundays-proposed-bill-aims-for-7-day-operation-ny-thruway-rest-stops-restaurants/71959179007/
https://totalfood.com/ny-state-assembly-thruway-battle-sunday-chick-fil-a/
Its in the news because everything pertaining to Tesla is news. Your "eyes" are looking for political rationale when none exists.
This has nothing to do with Tesla specifically. This is just the state of NJ changing providers for their EV service on the turnpike, just like they do with everything else as contracts end and a bidding process happens for a new contract. You didn't answer my question as to why this is different than when they changed fuel providers from Shell to Sunoco a few years ago. You didn't answer because it isn't any different.
It was all over the news about Chick fil A being closed on Sundays and that creating an issue with the Thruway.
New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/30/n...p-sundays.html
Legal maneuvering to try and force CFA to open on Sundays despite the contract having no requirement for them to do so:
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2023/12/20/chick-fil-a-hours-sundays-proposed-bill-aims-for-7-day-operation-ny-thruway-rest-stops-restaurants/71959179007/
https://totalfood.com/ny-state-assembly-thruway-battle-sunday-chick-fil-a/
Its in the news because everything pertaining to Tesla is news. Your "eyes" are looking for political rationale when none exists.
This has nothing to do with Tesla specifically. This is just the state of NJ changing providers for their EV service on the turnpike, just like they do with everything else as contracts end and a bidding process happens for a new contract. You didn't answer my question as to why this is different than when they changed fuel providers from Shell to Sunoco a few years ago. You didn't answer because it isn't any different.
And for gas provider switch, did they have to rip out the current stations and rebuild with all new stations? Was there a shortage of gas stations and a huge increase in gas vehicles?
Ridiculous.
I just checked their map. I saw about 27 "service areas". Not one was Chic-Fil-A only. Most have multiple restaurants. And they could have done the same with charger providers given the growth of EVs and the lack of charging. NO reason not to add other than they just didn't want Tesla there.
And for gas provider switch, did they have to rip out the current stations and rebuild with all new stations? Was there a shortage of gas stations and a huge increase in gas vehicles?
Ridiculous.
And for gas provider switch, did they have to rip out the current stations and rebuild with all new stations? Was there a shortage of gas stations and a huge increase in gas vehicles?
Ridiculous.
Funny thing is, there are a handful of AG chargers already available and they're right next to the Tesla SCs. I wonder if they're going to add additional AG stations once the Tesla ones are removed.
NJTA is going sole source for their EV charging infrastructure and Applegreen won the bid. Instead of letting the two coexist, Tesla is being forced to decommission their existing superchargers and has begun to build additional stations just off the turnpike. But that does add friction to the trip because you have to get off and on again which means going through the tollbooths
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I don't frequent the turnpike much, but most of the rest stops have a food court with 3+ options, a minimart, bathrooms, etc.
Funny thing is, there are a handful of AG chargers already available and they're right next to the Tesla SCs. I wonder if they're going to add additional AG stations once the Tesla ones are removed.
Funny thing is, there are a handful of AG chargers already available and they're right next to the Tesla SCs. I wonder if they're going to add additional AG stations once the Tesla ones are removed.