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Tell me you haven’t done software dev without telling you haven’t done software dev
there are going to be bugs especially when moving at Teslas velocity. Most of the time the fixes have been rolled out before recall notifications go out
we used to say "software happens"
and also "on the 8th day God created software bugs."
It's not another POV, it's a puff piece that is filled with misinformation.
As already highlighted, someone clearly took offense with the survey showing only 4% would purchase a Tesla and had bots use 2 IP address to completely flip the survey to make it positive. Of course Musk posted it on X when it flipped positive.
Secondly, the claimed reason of declining sales in Q1 is due to Model Y transition is weak at best. China already has 0% APR on the new Model Y. If demand was strong this would not be the case.
You guys are trying to classify what I said as a negative about Musk and it’s not. A “shrewd businessperson”
is somebody that can look at the organization of a company and the products it offers to its customer, and maximize the efficiency of the company and tailor its offerings and pricing to create the most profitable company possible. That’s not Musk’s strong suit, it is something Tim Cook is very good at. Musk thinks he is very good at this but things he has done in his businesses shows us he isn’t.
i think you're making a false dichotomy. to be great at product doesn't automatically make you not a great businessperson and vice versa.
I never said it did, but you do find that in general people who are great at both are pretty rare. Creative minded people are typically poor detail and process people and vice versa.
As an example anybody that would hire me to make their business more efficient and run more smoothly with concrete processes would be really dumb. I’m not great at that. My business partner however people do pay him as a consultant for those things and they should. I’m a much better salesman and a better leader than he is though.
seems you're just not impressed with creativity. about steve jobs, when he returned to apple, he launched the ipod, iphone and ipad, and saved the company. yes he learned a bunch after he was humbled when kicked out of apple by the board. next and pixar were great startups - next got bought by apple and pixar by disney... not bad - i'd say good businessperson (by miles).
Quite the opposite. I am the creative guy. I’m not the business guy. I’m saying a company needs both, and you want each type of person for different things. That’s not to say each person is totally devoid of those skills.
Nobody would suggest Steve Jobs is the guy to dig into a company’s finances and turn it around. Tim Cook is that guy. Nobody would suggest Tim Cook is the guy to come up with the next product that the public is going to latch onto. Steve Jobs is that guy.
Can we officially say the Cybertruck is a complete failure?
Q3 2024 sales was higher than Q4 2024 sales, that's even with the introduction of the non foundation model (20k discount). Q1 2025 Sales will be less than Q4 2024 sales that's even with the Cybertruck now qualifying for the 7500 credit.
Model 3 sales declining with the rise of the Xioami SU7 which now outsells the Model 3. Xioami will be releasing their Model Y competitor in a few months. If it follows the path of what the SU7 has done to Model 3 sales, Tesla should be scared.
Model S and X aren't worth even mentioning with it's insignificant sales numbers.
As an example anybody that would hire me to make their business more efficient and run more smoothly with concrete processes would be really dumb. I’m not great at that. My business partner however people do pay him as a consultant for those things and they should. I’m a much better salesman and a better leader than he is though.
no one's good at everything. ceo's are typically much stronger in one area than others... i've worked with ceo's who excel in either operations (process, planning, etc), product/engineering, finance, sales/marketing, or strategy. the last ceo i worked for was a strategy guy (growth through m&a) and he delegated everything else. they all have their strengths and weaknesses. i'm a techie but spent a lot of time in product marketing too. i'm also pretty good with process. but i know i don't enjoy sales lol, but then i never wanted a huge business so that's fine. fortunately our services are easy to sell.
no one's good at everything. ceo's are typically much stronger in one area than others... i've worked with ceo's who excel in either operations (process, planning, etc), product/engineering, finance, sales/marketing, or strategy. the last ceo i worked for was a strategy guy (growth through m&a) and he delegated everything else. they all have their strengths and weaknesses. i'm a techie but spent a lot of time in product marketing too. i'm also pretty good with process. but i know i don't enjoy sales lol, but then i never wanted a huge business so that's fine. fortunately our services are easy to sell.
This is exactly my point…Musks strength is not the operation of a business…it’s in development and product and vision and leadership. That’s not a knock against him at all.
One of the most important skills of an entrepreneur is the ability to assess your own strengths and weaknesses in a totally frank way and to bring in talent to take over in the areas you are not as strong so that your time can be spent doing what you are good at.
It's not another POV, it's a puff piece that is filled with misinformation.
As already highlighted, someone clearly took offense with the survey showing only 4% would purchase a Tesla and had bots use 2 IP address to completely flip the survey to make it positive. Of course Musk posted it on X when it flipped positive.
Secondly, the claimed reason of declining sales in Q1 is due to Model Y transition is weak at best. China already has 0% APR on the new Model Y. If demand was strong this would not be the case.
And what if you are totally wrong and people buy Tesla's because they love them, regardless of what they think of the CEO? Like myself. Musk played zero percent in my choice. And I would buy another one in heartbeat. Now I look at the situation different as an investor, which Im not going to discuss here
This is exactly my point…Musks strength is not the operation of a business…it’s in development and product and vision and leadership. That’s not a knock against him at all.
fair enough, but that doesn't make him not a good businessperson. as i said there's lots of types. in your biz you and your partner have different strengths and weaknesses and either of you could probably be ceo and whoever that is would hire great people who have the strengths they don't.
One of the most important skills of an entrepreneur is the ability to assess your own strengths and weaknesses in a totally frank way and to bring in talent to take over in the areas you are not as strong so that your time can be spent doing what you are good at.
precisely, and i believe musk has done that, or there's no way in hell he could have global manufacturing (highly operational, process) in place, and the in the spacex stuff he may be the top rocket engineer but i've no doubt he has some excellent process, safety, planning, finance and other people.
see... it can be done by all kinds, but your point is very valid that a ceo who thinks his/her skillset is all that's required without filling in the blanks with great other leaders, will just be a bad ceo. i know, i've worked for several, lol. eventually i'd had enough and just walked away.
i have worked for a couple of amazing ceo's though (very different) that fit what we've been talking about. i learned a ton from them. one thing i learned is ceo's of companies that are big or on a growth tear earn their pay because it's all consuming. no thanks.
Last edited by bitkahuna; Mar 20, 2025 at 08:16 PM.
And what if you are totally wrong and people buy Tesla's because they love them, regardless of what they think of the CEO? Like myself. Musk played zero percent in my choice. And I would buy another one in heartbeat. Now I look at the situation different as an investor, which Im not going to discuss here
Totally wrong about what? The survey? The host of the survey is the one that came out and said bots from 2 ips were messing with it, it's not made up, fud or conspiracy, it's a fact.
