Maybe. But I have no misunderstanding of what the show is and isn’t. Remote controlled android is far fetched from embodied cognition - something that Musk was selling.

 

When autonomous vehicles cause accidents, the issue is amplified because machines can’t be held accountable like humans, raising legal and liability concerns. People expect perfection from machines, so failures lead to greater scrutiny. The lack of clear responsibility, whether it’s the manufacturer or the technology itself, creates uncertainty and makes it harder to assign blame.

simply you cannot have an autonomous machine in every day lives capable of killing that can’t be put in jail or some form of justice.

 

Cognition means knowing, Elon has never said Optimus knows and is as capable as a human you've made that up to fit a narrative. Optimus is learning to do tasks like a human emphasis on learning they were not in the crowd just to entertain.

Your narrative is right now Tesla's robot is not what Elon says the ambitions are for Optimus. You expect Elon and Tesla to go from zero to perfect finished product no iterations. Next you're going to say that Elon trying to get to Mars is a failure because it hasn't happened. Maybe it will never happen but it won't be for lack of trying, it's the trying part you place no value at all in. All the hard work the teams at Elon's various company do, it seems to have zero value to you.

 

i think that's sarcasm, but it's certainly not true. at least for the foreseeable future robots will be tools, able to do many tasks humans don't want to or can't do. they don't have to be 'sentient' to do that.

yes, and it was pointless.

musk definitely talked about robots walking among the crowd, serving drinks, etc. implying the robots were acting autonomously. it's fuel for the true believers and it's even interesting to me (and impressive that the robots didn't falll over, etc)., but i'm just saying that i'm not a fan of 'implying' something to those less discerning.

elon derangement syndrome? so ANY criticism or just 'not being a fan of ANYTHING he or tesla does is EDS? that's just silly. i thought overall the announcement was great, but of course, like most everyone, wished it showed they're closer, but they're obviously making progress. i actually believed the robots were acting autonomously, not remotely controlled. yeah that's on me, silly me, ha.

i did not say elon musk lied about anything, but that the 'demonstration' wasn't what (to me) it was implied it was. and just because i didn't mention something in a post doesn't mean i 'dismissed' it. robots, or more generally AI, learning from collected data, is not exactly new.

yes, they do great 'demo-ware'. it's hard to believe google bought them then dumped them no much later. i mean didn't they do any due diligence? lol. and it's funny that hyundai now owns them. i'm guessing hoping to use the knowledge for industrial robots / production at least.

 

No secret that I’m not a fan of Musk, but what he’s just done with the Starship booster is absolutely astonishing. What an amazing thing to watch. Just fantastic.

 

Did Tesla or Elon actually confirm the robots were AI controlled?

 

I thought the next gen hand they had on display was really impressive

 

I never thought they were fully autonomous, I was impressed by the dexterity of their hands and the way they moved, that's what I thought was the important part of the display

 

I watched a Mercedes press video about their level 3 autonomy S class. Manufacturer accepts the liability for any accidents that happen during autonomous mode. That is why they have to be certified at a specific level classification. Tesla is still only selling level 2 and so does not need to accept responsibility during supervised FSD

 

Not pointless it was a beginning.

 

The Optimus thing IMO is deception by omission. Tesla didn't claim that they were fully autonomous, but they didn't make any effort to clarify that they weren't and are of course banking on observers coming to their own favorable conclusions. Robots that quickly and accurately mimic the movements of an operator aren't exactly new. Doctors have been doing medical procedures this way for a long time. And remember there's some history here with what appeared to be manipulated footage showing Optimus' dexterity. Don't get me wrong, Optimus has tremendous potential and the tech is awesome but there's still some smoke and mirrors in play here.

 

That didn't happen you're talking about the moving blocks task no video was manipulated.

 

I am, and it was 100% manipulated.

 

Nope, Optimus nudges one of the blocks the conspiracy nuts said magnets were used or some other nonsense. And what a thing to hyper focus on instead of the progress we're seeing.

 

Well there's not much evidence of actual progress yet. What there is are robots controlled and operated by handlers, like those serving or walking in the event, or robots running stored procedures and animation loops, like those dancing at the event. Others have already blazed that trail ahead of Optimus.