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Once you own BEV, you realize that. It makes people not charge at their home, and hunt/camp for free charing, so when you actually have to charge, it is mostly unusable.
Once you own BEV, you realize that. It makes people not charge at their home, and hunt/camp for free charing, so when you actually have to charge, it is mostly unusable.
I agree. People take up chargers when they don't need to. I see people charging almost to 100 percent. Last week when I took our Ioniq to a local EA charger (just to see it's charging curve), although people were waiting to charge, one guy kept charging after 80 percent. By the time I got access to a charger and finished at 80 percent, he was at 95 percent and looked like he had no intention of leaving, although there were two other cars waiting
I agree. People take up chargers when they don't need to. I see people charging almost to 100 percent. Last week when I took our Ioniq to a local EA charger (just to see it's charging curve), although people were waiting to charge, one guy kept charging after 80 percent. By the time I got access to a charger and finished at 80 percent, he was at 95 percent and looked like he had no intention of leaving, although there were two other cars waiting
Maybe he getting ready/charging for a roadtrip or is that still considered “bad charging etiquette”?
This is not a charger that is along a travel route. It's bad etiquette to charge past 80 percent when chargers are full and people are waiting
Until charging speeds improve and more chargers are available, this may continue to be an issue. Not to compare it to gas vehicles but it’s almost like getting impatient because the vehicle in front of you at the gas station is filling up.
I’ve used public chargers and maybe 1-2x I didn’t charge to 100%. I’ll add, no other car was waiting to charge while I was charging. I’ve dropped my car off at a charger at a dealership and came back to it. 🫣
Once you own BEV, you realize that. It makes people not charge at their home, and hunt/camp for free charing, so when you actually have to charge, it is mostly unusable.
Agreed. The worst part is that most people are leasing these vehicles because 1) they are afraid of advancing battery tech, and 2) to still get the $7,500 loophole credit. As such, they don't care about battery degradation from charging past 80%
Once you own BEV, you realize that. It makes people not charge at their home, and hunt/camp for free charing, so when you actually have to charge, it is mostly unusable.
Totally. Its like the free chargers at my office, they are ALWAYS full, even when the vehicles parked there are mostly charged. Because they're free and right at the door.
Once you own BEV, you realize that. It makes people not charge at their home, and hunt/camp for free charing, so when you actually have to charge, it is mostly unusable.
True. I also think a lot of people end up getting EVs without proper planning for a L2 charger at home. If you live in a condo or an apartment complex, it's not as straight forward to install a charger for your unit. I'm sure the dealers paint a rosy picture of how they're getting free charging at any EA station. If they don't do their research, they won't know how crappy EA network is, until they have to use it.
The two years free EA charging limits you to 30 minutes per session, after 30 minutes they begin to charge you. You can get around that by stopping the session and restarting it.
people who restart their sessions if others are waiting should be arrested.
Originally Posted by T-Rex06
It definitely sucks not to be able to use the credits.
do you actually need to use public chargers much, vs. at home?
my charging at home costs me about $1 a day. i ain't going anywhere to use 'free' charging instead.
Originally Posted by BayeauxLex
Quick google search, the closest EA station to me is 106 miles away. 😳 It shows an Ioniq there charging. The 2nd closest EA station going in totally different direction is 178 miles away and shows a Lightning charging.
well you drive a phev which charges in 5 minutes and has a gas engine, so hardly a concern for you?
Originally Posted by spwolf
Free stuff is actually a problem.
Once you own BEV, you realize that. It makes people not charge at their home, and hunt/camp for free charing, so when you actually have to charge, it is mostly unusable.
great post. but of course it's not really 'free' - people paid for it in their car purchase/lease instead. but it lures the sheeple.
Originally Posted by BayeauxLex
Not to compare it to gas vehicles but it’s almost like getting impatient because the vehicle in front of you at the gas station is filling up.
not to compare, but then compare... mmkay.
I’ve used public chargers and maybe 1-2x I didn’t charge to 100%. I’ll add, no other car was waiting to charge while I was charging. I’ve dropped my car off at a charger at a dealership and came back to it. 🫣
your battery is 18kwh. at 100kw charging that's 3 minutes from 0-100. of course reality is slower i'm sure.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
Totally. Its like the free chargers at my office, they are ALWAYS full, even when the vehicles parked there are mostly charged. Because they're free and right at the door.
people are inconsiderate, feel entitled, and are irrational about 'free stuff' and can't help themselves even if they don't need it.
Bit, just curious how much your utility company charges per kw for $1 a day? In my area, it can be as "low" as .25 per kw overnight, or as much as .43 on peak hours. And these rates are for special EV owners too. I have a 108kw battery pack usable in my car, theoretically can cost me as much as $50 to fill up at home or as low as $30. I don't think people (including myself) are purposely driving to EA stations for the free charging, but instead plan their weekend around going to a particular mall or supermarket and fill up at the same time.
Bit, just curious how much your utility company charges per kw for $1 a day? In my area, it can be as "low" as .25 per kw overnight, or as much as .43 on peak hours.
ouch. i'm paying .12 per kwh. gotta love taxifornia.
ouch. i'm paying .12 per kwh. gotta love taxifornia.
It's PG&E in this case for us, not taxes, although we are taxed to the kazoo . Take a look at what these thieves charge us:
What you are seeing are delivery charges, not even actual charges for kWh. And this is an EV plan LoL! We do get some generation credits back from California, and my solar ends up covering all these charges, but they do eat heavily into what I generate
Yeah, bastards. I'm still grandfathered so I'm good. Only issue is if I ever need to expand my solar, I would have to sign a new agreement. The only way to get off of PGE is to get off the grid.... batteries and backup generators
people are inconsiderate, feel entitled, and are irrational about 'free stuff' and can't help themselves even if they don't need it.
Totally, and its only getting worse.
Personally I think garages etc should consider putting EV charging spaces somewhere other than always right up front, I think that might dissuade people from parking to charge when they see an open one just to get that prime right up front spot.
I described when I flew out of Dulles Airport a couple months ago how they had chargers sporadically all over the garage in different areas and that made it a lot easier to score a spot where we could charge.
I’ll add, no other car was waiting to charge while I was charging. I’ve dropped my car off at a charger at a dealership and came back to it. 🫣
but of course it's not really 'free' - people paid for it in their car purchase/lease instead. but it lures the sheeple.
. Take a look at what these thieves charge us:
