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Old Dec 14, 2023 | 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
No...at least not deliberate satire on my part. My point was that Tesla is claiming that the vehicles do not have to be updated at the dealership, and that the date can be sent directly to owners. I have never seen that before, so I included a question mark because it is an interesting question whether it will be effective or not. There have already been several previous Tesla recalls for autopilot features......and more and more problems keep cropping up even after them.

Bitkahuna, though, may have at least partially-answed the question, comparing it to computer and cell-phone updates. But problems seem to keep occurring in spite of these updates.

INMO, it begs the question of whether vehicles will ever be truly self-driving or not....at least in my lifetime......although I myself am older than many other members here, and not likely to live as long.
To elaborate on others' points about OTA (over the air) updates, as Bit said it is similar to your smartphone. Tesla (and all other EV's) cars have both a cellular signal and also the ability to connect to WiFi. So when you buy your car and get it home, one of the first things you do is connect it to your home WiFi. This allows for updates to be "pushed" to and received by thousands/millions of cars simultaneously. Sometimes the updates are minor enhancements to the screen/user interface. Other times the updates might give you a few more miles of range or a slightly improved driving feel. In this case, a safety feature is being updated by changes in the code of AutoPilot. When Tesla has an update available, you receive some type of notification on your phone (through the Tesla app) and on the screen of the car indicating an update is available and will be installed on X date at X time while the car is charging and connected to WiFi (just like your phone).

It's a pretty wild concept to understand that this means your car is actually IMPROVING with age because the whole car is run by software. So these minor updates here and there make the car better over time. On top of that, not having to go to a dealership is awesome! I have to take our new-to-us SUV to Infiniti because I need a software update to enable wireless Car Play. It's only a 45 minute ordeal once at the dealer, but a massive inconvenience when compared to EV life. With an EV, that type of thing would happen while I'm sound asleep.

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Old Dec 14, 2023 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BrettJacks
OTA updates are still a relatively newer thing for cars. Tesla may have been doing it for 10 years but it would be easy to not know that if you're not a long-time Tesla person.
My friend has a 2014 Model S that still gets the latest OTA updates

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Sorry, I misread what you wrote...apologies

Absolutely true
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Old Dec 14, 2023 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Striker223
Wait a second......is this a forced update that removes functions? If so this is happening sooner than I expected it to happen with OTA capable cars, hopefully this is a one time thing and doesn't go the direction of progressively removing more and more/pulling an Apple and slowing older cars down.

It would IMO be complete BS if they are gimping autopilot and owners can't refuse it.
They are not gimping it, they are fixing bugs, taming down on it's aggressiveness and adding warning messages. It's over aggressiveness is what makes Autopilot potentially dangerous

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Old Dec 14, 2023 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jrmckinley
It's a pretty wild concept to understand that this means your car is actually IMPROVING with age because the whole car is run by software. So these minor updates here and there make the car better over time.
glad you qualified for minor updates. windows updates over time just make the same pc slower and slower.

On top of that, not having to go to a dealership is awesome! I have to take our new-to-us SUV to Infiniti because I need a software update to enable wireless Car Play. It's only a 45 minute ordeal once at the dealer, but a massive inconvenience when compared to EV life. With an EV, that type of thing would happen while I'm sound asleep.
even though not as convenient as OTA, hyundai also offers updates from their website by downloadable files you put on a flash drive. it's good for huge updates (you get it done quicker).
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Old Dec 14, 2023 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna

even though not as convenient as OTA, hyundai also offers updates from their website by downloadable files you put on a flash drive. it's good for huge updates (you get it done quicker).
Are you referring to this for a traditional ICE vehicle, like your Santa Fe? They don't do this for EV's do they?
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Old Dec 14, 2023 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jrmckinley
Are you referring to this for a traditional ICE vehicle, like your Santa Fe? They don't do this for EV's do they?
they do it for both for the infotainment system although they will come OTA as well if not installed that way.

impatient types like me didn't want to wait for OTA (and cell coverage at house isn't great) so used a flash drive.
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Old Dec 14, 2023 | 01:54 PM
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Everything is connecting to your home wifi now and AI is in control.


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Old Dec 14, 2023 | 02:18 PM
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^^ ha. microsoft is building skynet right now.

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Old Dec 14, 2023 | 03:07 PM
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I do think it would have been kind of funny to do a compassionate early release for Ted K at the end of his life and force him into house arrest with fully IOT smart home just so he could see his literal idea of hell realized.

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Old Dec 14, 2023 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BrettJacks
Everything is connecting to your home wifi now and AI is in control.
You mean like my fridge....and now my stove


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Old Dec 14, 2023 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RXSF
A recall implies some kind of defect that needs to be fixed. This is simply the NHTSA cracking down on Tesla autopilot and making it less effective.
Not exactly. My understanding is Tesla is strengthening the Nag. Some drivers continue to find ways to override the Nag and/or mis-use the functionality.
I agree the term "recall" seems out of place. Of course naysayers will rejoice...

There was a rich kid around here who set on AP while on the 880 freeway and then got in the back seat, while filming himself. Cops arrested him and impounded the Model 3. Kid got out, bought another car and did it again.
You can continue to enforce the Nag but you can't fix stupid.
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Old Dec 14, 2023 | 05:41 PM
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My stove only talks to my microwave, and vice versa. If either start speaking with my Y, I'm out!
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Old Dec 14, 2023 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike728
My stove only talks to my microwave, and vice versa. If either start speaking with my Y, I'm out!
Both my fridge and stove are Samsung's and controlled by the same app. The fridge can also connect to my Ring lol 😆
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Old Dec 14, 2023 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
You mean like my fridge....and now my stove


I assume the stove is induction?
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Old Dec 14, 2023 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BrettJacks
I assume the stove is induction?
Correct. I wanted to replace it with another gas stove, but the wife wanted an induction. Wife won .

On the bright side, it's damn easy to clean having a ceramic surface
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