As with all rental car companies, you automatically activate their 'for a fee' toll service, which is some fee per day + the toll incurred when you drive in a toll road or cross the bridge. Doesn't matter if you were there for 5 seconds or not and you get charged for every day of the rental, not just the day you used the toll. Just bad luck that you happened to get under the toll reader during that 5 seconds even though the readers are like 1000 feet apart. Not saying it wasn't unfortunate for you, just saying people who rent cars need to be aware of such billing practices.

Not sure if this is the right place to post this. If it isn't, mods please move it. Thx

A positive FSD experience

Original post on the Tesla Motors forum.
"I was on Route 1 northbound from Trenton NJ around 10:38a this past Saturday. Bright, sunny, clear day - not even wind worth mentioning. I subscribed to FSD a few days ago in preparation for an upcoming long drive and wanted to try it out on this short stretch to get familiar with it. As I'm minding my business, on chill follow mode, out of nowhere a driver in the left lane begins to change lanes -- directly into the side of my car! My first indication that anything was happening was the Tesla yanked the wheel to the right, I take a quick glance to my left to find a car door inches from mine - guaranteed side collision because the other car just...kept...coming. WTF?! While I'm using my modified ape brain to process this insanity my Tesla is still nudging me safely into a crossed-out lane for an upcoming merge from the right. I finally figure it out, slow down and tuck behind this crazy person. Astonishingly, there was no impact. I've been driving for over 30 years and keep careful and alert as much as anyone but no way I saw this person pushing me out of my lane. Without Tesla's accident avoidance it was a definite side-to-side impact. "

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thre...eekend.315225/

This is the right place!

Lucid adopts the "just a connector" charging standard.

I've been thinking about something with Tesla the last few days. As a share holder (and also someone who likes the company/brand), my biggest concern right now is not attracting NEW buyers into the Tesla family. It's getting people who already own a Tesla to be repeat customers in the future. The wild price fluctuations have drastically depreciated people's cars who bought in the last 18 months. Not only will they be severely under water at time of a new purchase, but the "sting" of what happened to them might turn them away from Tesla for their next purchase. Thoughts?

My personal opinion...the price cuts are overall good for the consumer. Yes this is only anecdotal, but the numbers of Tesla's on the road over the last year is astounding. Just this morning in a few mile stretch I counted at least 30. When I travelled to SoCal a few months back, the Superchargers in Kettleman city which hosts 95 chargers was almost full to the brim...and this wasn't even a heavy travel day. Most telling though is where my brother lives (Eastvale in Riverside County), there are more Tesla's than Chargers, Challengers and Mustangs combined, the only thing there were more of are trucks, but this is truck country after all. For those who live in SoCal, you know that Eastvale and the surrounding area really shouldn't be EV friendly. Even Farmer John has a Tesla in his driveway, parked next to his heavy duty truck and horse trailer LoL!

Tesla should definitely start advertising. People don't really watch traditional TV anymore, but maybe sponsor ads on Youtube, Instagram etc.

It does suck for people who purchased back in 2022, if you can afford a Model S, X or Plaid, a $40K loss is not the end of the world. That's just life

Perhaps they are priced appropriately now and maybe things were just overpriced in 2022. But this is more about the 3 and Y owners in my opinion. What made me start thinking about this is I read a tweet from someone who bought a Model Y long range for around $65k brand new in late 2021. It has 25k miles on it and he was offered $27k to trade it in to Tesla (he posted pics of his purchase price and trade offer). That is horrendous depreciation, substantially worse than the norm. And it's these people I think about - the 3 and Y owners who have car payments, are now completely upside down, and I wonder what brand they'll buy next... Even though I could absorb a $40k loss, it would 100% make me rethink things on my next purchase. Being able to afford something expensive doesn't mean you don't hate losing more money on it than you anticipated. If I was in their shoes I'd likely not buy another Tesla. Perhaps I'd consider leasing, but I wouldn't buy another one.

People who buy new cars every few years are mostly on the losing end of the deal in most cases, regardless of devaluation due to price drops. No asset depreciates faster than a car...the exception is maybe Lucid stock. Most Tesla owners I know bought their car for the long term. If you are one of those that keeps your car over 5 years, your not even going to remember.

I'll say it again..for the consumer, price drops are good. It especially helps mitigate the higher interest rates. Price drops are what pushed me to buy my Model Y. Had it been still MSRP near the $60k range, I would have waited until 2025 when my Polestar lease ends.

If you are one of those who lost value on your vehicle, I feel bad for you, but why weren't those same people angry when dealers were marking up vehicles $10 or $15k last year? I would be more pissed off about that than Tesla dropping prices

goes both ways, maybe they're under water on the trade-in, but assuming they buy the same car, it will be cheaper, so net even?

please not the local anecdotes again... please recognize where you are isn't the same as everywhere else. on my 15 mile commute i typically see 1 or 2 teslas.

you make it sound like people who bought s/x/plaid are uber wealthy and you're not just because you didn't. i would challenge both assumptions. :D

no, tesla is simply pricing to 'what the market will bear' and their own objectives for volume, growth, etc. they know the market is challenging and therefore short of much more features/$ or some other improvement in the value proposition, the only way to increase (or even sustain) volume is to drop prices.

i have to imagine x/s sales are very low, but the big price drops probably boosted them quite a bit as one would expect.

ouch, lol so let's say he owes 40 on the car still and will get 27 on the trade, so losing 13k. his next y LR is 50k instead of 65, so net 63k :D

Of course I'm going to use that as a measuring stick. Over and over again. We Californians buy more cars than any other state in the union

What's funny is that so many people talked about the awesome resale values of Teslas and how they hold their value, etc. Now that the argument is down the toilet, no one ever says how Tesla's resale value sucks. I'm sorry, I have bought and sold cars for so many years and I was always able to at least break even after three years otherwise I would never trade/sell and this isn't a sometimes thing, it was always especially with Lexus since they always had good resale value.

Regardless, all it means for someone like me and others is that I will just keep my car longer than the typical 3 year period where I get a new car. So on one hand you have some owners that are underwater and won't take the loss and keep the car longer and as a result, not buy a new Tesla to replace the old Tesla and on the other hand, you do get new buyers to buy a Tesla. If I am Tesla I think the new owner is more valuable than the existing owner.

The other argument I always hear is how the software updates keep the car current and I don't need to sell after three years. Problem with that argument is that a lot has changed in 2 years because of new headlights, tailights, swivel screens, hardware 4, cameras, Steam update for gaming, etc. So I also don't buy the argument that software will keep my car up to date when all of these updates to hardware and software that aren't able to be retrofitted.

For me I would still buy another Tesla but would probably lease this time. For others in the Model S forum there were several that were put off by the price drops and would look to another manufacturer.

Between 2020 and 2023, most used cars had crazy resale value. You want to know what Carvana offered me last year for my 2010 IS350? $19K with 70k on it. Do you know what they would offer me today? I would be lucky to get between $5 to $8k. For my 2013 Sienna they were offering me over $25k with nearly 160K on it.

Tesla's only had high resale value because people didn't want to wait 4 to 6 months for delivery. They paid more to get it right away. Last year my brother in law bought his Model 3, he ordered it in April 2022 and didn't get delivery until October. The same reason people were paying over $1000 for a $300 Nvidia Graphics card. Now you can get a Tesla in a couple of weeks...even the same day if they have one in inventory.

I feel bad for you bro, but not that bad for you. You have what's called a first World problem. Give me those any day

LOL don’t feel bad for me, it’s definitely first world problems and not what I was after. It was about responding to the post about what owners who are under water would do in the future. At least my X7 isn’t under water but of course that is a car I may actually buy out in 6 months because there isn’t anything out there I want and I don’t like the new model.

Of course there is the cybertruck but fool me once…

Used R1S are going for a good price :D

Hopefully you pre-ordered early.... otherwise good luck :)