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Toys4RJill Mar 28, 2023 08:14 AM

Here come the EV taxes
 

Under the legislation, public charging stations would have to track their kilowatt-hour usage and would be required to collect a tax per every 11 kWh.

According to the Georgia Department of Revenue, a license plate for a traditional vehicle is $20 each year. The licensing fee for a non-commercial alternative fuel vehicle is $212.78.
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/geo...arging-in-2025


IMO this is just the beginning, they can paint any tax or fee on a blank canvas. No tax for home charging yet.

tex2670 Mar 28, 2023 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by LexsCTJill (Post 11475714)
No tax for home charging yet.

Sure there is. Your home utilities are taxed - look at your bill.

Toys4RJill Mar 28, 2023 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by tex2670 (Post 11475729)
Sure there is. Your home utilities are taxed - look at your bill.

But no explicit tax on an EV charge. I think that is what they mean in the article

geko29 Mar 28, 2023 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by LexsCTJill (Post 11475730)
But no explicit tax on an EV charge. I think that is what they mean in the article

I'm not even sure how that would be accomplished. How does a home EV charger "look different" to the grid than an electric dryer or pool pump?

Allen K Mar 28, 2023 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by geko29 (Post 11475735)
I'm not even sure how that would be accomplished. How does a home EV charger "look different" to the grid than an electric dryer or pool pump?

'Easiest' way would be by having the utility subsidize a smart charger (like how they give out free Nests) in exchange for a wifi connection to track usage. Could also install a second meter solely for EVs but that seems like a pain.

Toys4RJill Mar 28, 2023 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by geko29 (Post 11475735)
I'm not even sure how that would be accomplished. How does a home EV charger "look different" to the grid than an electric dryer or pool pump?

we have optional smart meters in Ontario. You can opt in to give them control over your air conditioning. They will limit the temp limits. They can do anything they want in reality. In theory they could just add a fee to anyone household that has a EV registered to it and not even base it on charging use

geko29 Mar 28, 2023 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by LexsCTJill (Post 11475751)
we have optional smart meters in Ontario. You can opt in to give them control over your air conditioning. They will limit the temp limits. They can do anything they want in reality. In theory they could just add a fee to anyone household that has a EV registered to it and not even base it on charging use

We've had mandatory smart meters for over a decade, and similar opt-in programs. But the meter cannot control your AC on its own, nor do "anything they want". It's not magic, it's just a meter that communicates via RF. Limiting temperature requires you to install a compatible thermostat, and link it to the meter; Alternatively you could wire in a disconnect relay so the compressor can be disabled by the meter. But unless you do one of those things, they can't control anything.

I'm on a different opt-in program, where they text/email me target windows where they want to reduce energy usage (usually 3-4 hours in the afternoon on a specific day), and I get a credit for any reductions vs. our typical usage. I turn off everything possible during those windows (AC, pool pump, extra refrigerators, etc), and most times wind up with a credit of over $20.

RNM GS3 Mar 28, 2023 09:35 AM

Just wait until they ban gas cars or come up with a polluter tax if you choose to continue driving one. The rich guys will continue to fly private jets though and govt employees will be paraded in Escalades and Suburbans!


tex2670 Mar 28, 2023 09:43 AM

How is taxing charging up your EV at a public fast charger different than taxing gasoline dispensed at a gas station? This was always going to happen.

JDR76 Mar 28, 2023 09:47 AM

On my car license tabs, I pay an additional $93 a year on the Tundra for being a heavy, thirsty truck (total license tabs were $693 this year). On the flip-side, I pay a "hybrid" penalty fee of $75 a year for driving the Highlander Hybrid, for a total this year of $597. I cannot win. :D

Toys4RJill Mar 28, 2023 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by RNM GS3 (Post 11475777)
Just wait until they ban gas cars or come up with a polluter tax if you choose to continue driving one. The rich guys will continue to fly private jets though and govt employees will be paraded in Escalades and Suburbans!

Already exists outside of the United States. It’s a carbon tax.


Originally Posted by geko29 (Post 11475771)
nor do "anything they want"..

I was referring to the that something can be mandated in. For example, what is holding back the idea that an EV plugs into an address that is linked/registered to a car and then that data is transmitted to the utility company and thus you have a tax, and connection charge.


Originally Posted by JDR76 (Post 11475785)
On my car license tabs, I pay an additional $93 a year on the Tundra for being a heavy, thirsty truck (total license tabs were $693 this year). On the flip-side, I pay a "hybrid" penalty fee of $75 a year for driving the Highlander Hybrid, for a total this year of $597. I cannot win. :D

what about the GS? Nothing.

SW17LS Mar 28, 2023 10:03 AM

Was a foregone conclusion, no amount of taxes though are going to equal the cost of gas vs the cost of electricity.

JDR76 Mar 28, 2023 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by LexsCTJill (Post 11475795)
what about the GS? Nothing.

I paid $653 for the GS tabs this year, but there were no additional charges on that car relating to fuel consumption penalties.

Toys4RJill Mar 28, 2023 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by JDR76 (Post 11475823)
I paid $653 for the GS tabs this year, but there were no additional charges on that car relating to fuel consumption penalties.

go figure. The hybrid has a penalty. And the non hybrid doesn’t. Same size V6. $653 is just register the plate?

JDR76 Mar 28, 2023 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by LexsCTJill (Post 11475827)
go figure. The hybrid has a penalty. And the non hybrid doesn’t. Same size V6. $653 is just register the plate?

Yes, $653 is the tab/plate renewal each year. Goes down slightly each year as there is an element of vehicle value in there. So this year I paid about $1900 for the three cars.


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