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I know man. When my brother in law went to go pickup his Model 3 in November from the Fremont Tesla showroom, they actually had the audacity to have good high quality coffee and friendly customer service reps ready to help. And they let me sit in the Model X on display. How rude
Well I'm absolutely appalled. Good high quality coffee isn't going to help profits, is it? It was probably hot too. Insanity! And friendly non-commissioned customer service reps? What are these people smoking?
Well I'm absolutely appalled. Good high quality coffee isn't going to help profits, is it? It was probably hot too. Insanity! And friendly non-commissioned customer service reps? What are these people smoking?
LoL 😆. On another note, my daughter is super excited about tomorrow. According to the sales person I'm talking to, they have a couple in inventory, so if she likes it, we will probably pull the trigger! I'll update tomorrow!
Let's see if I understand this "logic". By your logic if Tesla has dealerships then Tesla's won't feel so "cheap"??
Very interesting to say the least.
Lets put it this way - Gucci, Fendi, Apple, Dolce Gabanna - these are just a few brands to have an actual storefront on the most expensive mall strips. Selling your product on the internet/amazon/ebay/facebookmarketplace isn't exactly putting your product in the best light possible.
Also not sure where Tesla being the most valuable company came from lol. Far from it in my book.
But forget all that. Teslas been cost cutting on their interior for years and who knows what else. And they've been taking government funding to help their business stay afloat. Volvo is probably much more valuable in my book and they arn't even that large a company.
Lets put it this way - Gucci, Fendi, Apple, Dolce Gabanna - these are just a few brands to have an actual storefront on the most expensive mall strips. Selling your product on the internet/amazon/ebay/facebookmarketplace isn't exactly putting your product in the best light possible.
Also not sure where Tesla being the most valuable company came from lol. Far from it in my book.
But forget all that. Teslas been cost cutting on their interior for years and who knows what else. And they've been taking government funding to help their business stay afloat. Volvo is probably much more valuable in my book and they arn't even that large a company.
This information came from public SEC filings from both Tesla and Toyota, and it's well known information that takes a simple Google search. I don't know where you are getting that Tesla has been taking government funding, that's just absolutely, patently false. If you are going to make a claim like this, a source that backs this is appreciated
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This information came from public SEC filings from both Tesla and Toyota, and it's well known information that takes a simple Google search. I don't know where you are getting that Tesla has been taking government funding, that's just absolutely, patently false. If you are going to make a claim like this, a source that backs this is appreciated
First, company shares isn't a good measure of a companies' worth. Many crypto had tons of shares but is now worthless. And what exactly does a companies worth even mean?
Second, I read 1-2 years ago that Tesla had subsidiaries from the Gov.
OP Amirza, wishing you luck, plz tell us how it goes.
And yeah I feel for ya.
Seeing ADM tacked on the price is so lame, Id rather them just add it to the price and not tell me. lol
Imagine going to the store and seeing adjusted markup on everything, better just to add to the price and be quiet.
But, I think from what ya'll say, car guys who on here who know a lot more than me, I think they have to put up the mfg price and cant get out of it if I understand what ya'll been saying on CL.
If that's true then they have to add it as a separate item and that kinda sucks for them, especially if they only have a couple to sell, double sucks for them.
Still apples to apples in my opinion cuz Tesla doesnt have to say AMD fees when they mark up their stuff, But it's there! haha
PS- still $20k for a new car is cheap now days, if it was an Suv for that kinda money I'd be down getting one..... maybe someday.... maybe.... lolol
In a way they are.
They soak up all the profit and avoid the dealership model.
Savings not passed on to the customer.
this doesn't make sense, because without the dealers and their margins, ADMs, tricks, etc., tesla can be MORE competitive and charge LOWER prices.
by your logic if car companies had 5 levels of distribution customers would 'save' even more money.
for example, here in florida we have 'south east toyota' which dictates what toyotas are sold here and what they cost. it provides NO VALUE to the consumer, except increased cost, less range of options, and often lack of availability.
back to tesla and not passing along savings in your view, prices don't exist in a vacuum, so tesla can only charge what they think the market will bear. plus, as a MAJOR disruptor to the auto industry, they've done away with 'year models' and change prices and features CONSTANTLY. can be quite jarring to customers and some customers get the short end when they buy and right after tesla drops the price, but overall it means tesla is a lethal competitor.
Originally Posted by xGS350x
If they can't afford dealerships, what else do you think they can't afford? Idk, maybe an entire dashboard? Lol.
other car companies don't pay for the dealers, they're independent businesses.
Originally Posted by xGS350x
Lets put it this way - Gucci, Fendi, Apple, Dolce Gabanna - these are just a few brands to have an actual storefront on the most expensive mall strips. Selling your product on the internet/amazon/ebay/facebookmarketplace isn't exactly putting your product in the best light possible.
you really need to learn some things about tesla. they have show rooms which are often very nice, in very prominent locations. here's a showroom i visited recently in honolulu, hawaii.
Lexus has been cost cutting for years now with something like synthetic leather just to stay profitable. You honestly think Tesla can compete?
they're very different, and tesla doesn't use leather either by the way, but tesla is obviously stealing sales from everyone else particularly luxury brands. i don't consider tesla vehicles luxury cars but it doesn't matter, many people aspire to have one.
Also not sure where Tesla being the most valuable company came from lol. Far from it in my book.
well 'your book' is wrong.
Teslas been cost cutting on their interior for years and who knows what else.
actually tesla interiors on their main sellers 3/Y have IMPROVED in recent years. i still don't like the interiors, but i acknowledge they're a lot nicer than they were.
tesla's cost cutting has been mainly on all the things people DON'T see in a vehicle and making vehicles from fewer more sophisticated parts and castings. all car companies must be terrified of tesla.
And they've been taking government funding to help their business stay afloat.
no question tesla got a lot of government help. funnier still, other car companies PAID TESLA for their 'carbon offsets' (not tesla's fault, blame stupid regulation).
tesla certainly doesn't need government help to stay afloat now. but all car companies get government incentives, especially at the state level when they decide to build a factory somewhere.
Volvo is probably much more valuable in my book and they arn't even that large a company.
do some research.
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
looks like everyone is burning the midnight oil …but EVs have no oil … what do you say when it applies to EVs?
“Everyone is charged up?”
”Everyone is still plugged in?”
this doesn't make sense, because without the dealers and their margins, ADMs, tricks, etc., tesla can be MORE competitive and charge LOWER prices.
by your logic if car companies had 5 levels of distribution customers would 'save' even more money.
for example, here in florida we have 'south east toyota' which dictates what toyotas are sold here and what they cost. it provides NO VALUE to the consumer, except increased cost, less range of options, and often lack of availability.
back to tesla and not passing along savings in your view, prices don't exist in a vacuum, so tesla can only charge what they think the market will bear. plus, as a MAJOR disruptor to the auto industry, they've done away with 'year models' and change prices and features CONSTANTLY. can be quite jarring to customers and some customers get the short end when they buy and right after tesla drops the price, but overall it means tesla is a lethal competitor.
other car companies don't pay for the dealers, they're independent businesses.
you really need to learn some things about tesla. they have show rooms which are often very nice, in very prominent locations. here's a showroom i visited recently in honolulu, hawaii.
they're very different, and tesla doesn't use leather either by the way, but tesla is obviously stealing sales from everyone else particularly luxury brands. i don't consider tesla vehicles luxury cars but it doesn't matter, many people aspire to have one.
well 'your book' is wrong.
actually tesla interiors on their main sellers 3/Y have IMPROVED in recent years. i still don't like the interiors, but i acknowledge they're a lot nicer than they were.
tesla's cost cutting has been mainly on all the things people DON'T see in a vehicle and making vehicles from fewer more sophisticated parts and castings. all car companies must be terrified of tesla.
no question tesla got a lot of government help. funnier still, other car companies PAID TESLA for their 'carbon offsets' (not tesla's fault, blame stupid regulation).
tesla certainly doesn't need government help to stay afloat now. but all car companies get government incentives, especially at the state level when they decide to build a factory somewhere.
this doesn't make sense, because without the dealers and their margins, ADMs, tricks, etc., tesla can be MORE competitive and charge LOWER prices.
by your logic if car companies had 5 levels of distribution customers would 'save' even more money.
for example, here in florida we have 'south east toyota' which dictates what toyotas are sold here and what they cost. it provides NO VALUE to the consumer, except increased cost, less range of options, and often lack of availability.
back to tesla and not passing along savings in your view, prices don't exist in a vacuum, so tesla can only charge what they think the market will bear. plus, as a MAJOR disruptor to the auto industry, they've done away with 'year models' and change prices and features CONSTANTLY. can be quite jarring to customers and some customers get the short end when they buy and right after tesla drops the price, but overall it means tesla is a lethal competitor.
other car companies don't pay for the dealers, they're independent businesses.
you really need to learn some things about tesla. they have show rooms which are often very nice, in very prominent locations. here's a showroom i visited recently in honolulu, hawaii.
they're very different, and tesla doesn't use leather either by the way, but tesla is obviously stealing sales from everyone else particularly luxury brands. i don't consider tesla vehicles luxury cars but it doesn't matter, many people aspire to have one.
well 'your book' is wrong.
actually tesla interiors on their main sellers 3/Y have IMPROVED in recent years. i still don't like the interiors, but i acknowledge they're a lot nicer than they were.
tesla's cost cutting has been mainly on all the things people DON'T see in a vehicle and making vehicles from fewer more sophisticated parts and castings. all car companies must be terrified of tesla.
no question tesla got a lot of government help. funnier still, other car companies PAID TESLA for their 'carbon offsets' (not tesla's fault, blame stupid regulation).
tesla certainly doesn't need government help to stay afloat now. but all car companies get government incentives, especially at the state level when they decide to build a factory somewhere.
do some research.
good one!
Thanks Bit. I couldn't have said it better. So I will leave this as the best response.
On the topic of the Bolt, should have an update before the end of the day!
OP Amirza, wishing you luck, plz tell us how it goes.
And yeah I feel for ya.
Seeing ADM tacked on the price is so lame, Id rather them just add it to the price and not tell me. lol
Imagine going to the store and seeing adjusted markup on everything, better just to add to the price and be quiet.
But, I think from what ya'll say, car guys who on here who know a lot more than me, I think they have to put up the mfg price and cant get out of it if I understand what ya'll been saying on CL.
If that's true then they have to add it as a separate item and that kinda sucks for them, especially if they only have a couple to sell, double sucks for them.
Still apples to apples in my opinion cuz Tesla doesnt have to say AMD fees when they mark up their stuff, But it's there! haha
PS- still $20k for a new car is cheap now days, if it was an Suv for that kinda money I'd be down getting one..... maybe someday.... maybe.... lolol
It's going to end up coming out around $23K, which doesn't include tax and licenses (sigh, can't escape taxes or death ). That's still pretty good. If she ends up getting it, it will still save her a lot of money to drive. Anyway, fingers crossed!
…but EVs have no oil 
… what do you say when it applies to EVs?
). That's still pretty good. If she ends up getting it, it will still save her a lot of money to drive. Anyway, fingers crossed!