Sporting it up a bit
10-05-12, 09:07 PM
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Sporting it up a bit
Upgraded my suspension recently, thought I would provide some thoughts and feedback.
I like a slightly sportier drive than the stock ES300. I know from experience that a few simple mods would help out and I didn't want to spend a bunch of money. Not racing, don't want to "slam" either car is just a daily driver. I can list all the parts replaced, I built whole new struts, but I'll focus on the "mod" parts right now.
Tokico HP "blues" struts - I like these, little firmer than the stock struts, hardly a sport part but probably a compromise as the same part is spec'd for the Camry, Avalon, and ES300. Better wheel control but a little more harsh is the trade off.
Whiteline 24/20 sway bars - Big tradeoff but I love these. Much flatter cornering, expected with such a thick sway bar. My stock bars measured 17/16. If you know your math you'll know the 24/20 is a HUGE increase in stiffness. There is a "loss of independence" with big bars, so the ride suffers a bit here too. This provides the extra spring needed as I used stock springs, there really isn't any spring out there any good for handling, just "lowering springs". *
Bridgestone RE760 - Basic performance summer tire, 215/55/16. Fit great on refinished stock 16s. I am going to run snow tires so this works out. I replaced the typical Michelin MXV4s. RE760s are just as quiet, slightly harsher ride, though I need to try sub 30psi pressure. Grip is way beyond the Michelins.
I have camber bolts, but at this time I have exceeded my expectations and met my goals, so I'll shelve those for now. It is impressive what more tire and a bit more spring can do. There is no need for the coilovers with adjustable height and crap dampers. this car will handle just as good, but it is not low with 18's and I have "wheel gap" and I'm not "VIP" so many will not like that. Cornering is limited by my ability to hang on to the steering wheel, as you all know the seats won't hold you ;-) The ride is not so smooth and loose like stock any more, but I can live with that.
(*)Now here is where I get to rant, before someone chimes in with the Internet car-board meme "front sway bar increases understeer" let me just point out that is WRONG. I drove around for a couple weeks with just the front bar installed in fact, and there was not very much difference from adding the rear bar. I didn't need to test it though because it is already known. If you think different Google "strut camber gain"
I like a slightly sportier drive than the stock ES300. I know from experience that a few simple mods would help out and I didn't want to spend a bunch of money. Not racing, don't want to "slam" either car is just a daily driver. I can list all the parts replaced, I built whole new struts, but I'll focus on the "mod" parts right now.
Tokico HP "blues" struts - I like these, little firmer than the stock struts, hardly a sport part but probably a compromise as the same part is spec'd for the Camry, Avalon, and ES300. Better wheel control but a little more harsh is the trade off.
Whiteline 24/20 sway bars - Big tradeoff but I love these. Much flatter cornering, expected with such a thick sway bar. My stock bars measured 17/16. If you know your math you'll know the 24/20 is a HUGE increase in stiffness. There is a "loss of independence" with big bars, so the ride suffers a bit here too. This provides the extra spring needed as I used stock springs, there really isn't any spring out there any good for handling, just "lowering springs". *
Bridgestone RE760 - Basic performance summer tire, 215/55/16. Fit great on refinished stock 16s. I am going to run snow tires so this works out. I replaced the typical Michelin MXV4s. RE760s are just as quiet, slightly harsher ride, though I need to try sub 30psi pressure. Grip is way beyond the Michelins.
I have camber bolts, but at this time I have exceeded my expectations and met my goals, so I'll shelve those for now. It is impressive what more tire and a bit more spring can do. There is no need for the coilovers with adjustable height and crap dampers. this car will handle just as good, but it is not low with 18's and I have "wheel gap" and I'm not "VIP" so many will not like that. Cornering is limited by my ability to hang on to the steering wheel, as you all know the seats won't hold you ;-) The ride is not so smooth and loose like stock any more, but I can live with that.
(*)Now here is where I get to rant, before someone chimes in with the Internet car-board meme "front sway bar increases understeer" let me just point out that is WRONG. I drove around for a couple weeks with just the front bar installed in fact, and there was not very much difference from adding the rear bar. I didn't need to test it though because it is already known. If you think different Google "strut camber gain"
Last edited by Power6; 04-28-13 at 03:43 PM.
10-06-12, 09:34 AM
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I haven't upgraded my front sway bar, but I will agree that having a bigger RSB helped a lot. I still have to do my struts and tires, so I'm hoping those will improve it even more.
One thing I experienced with my RSB upgrade is that it started to feel soft after some time. I can't tell if it's the mounting brackets or the fact that I got used to it.
One thing I experienced with my RSB upgrade is that it started to feel soft after some time. I can't tell if it's the mounting brackets or the fact that I got used to it.
10-06-12, 06:57 PM
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Those rear mounting brackets are pretty solid, I bet you got used to the bar ;-) Do the front bar though, you will be astounded at the grip increase and neutral cornering...
Tires and struts will make a big difference. I was just driving today thinking how nice the ride still is. A little jarring over sharp surfaces, I still need to try the 26 psi in the tires see what that feels like. Much more my style of ride/handling compromise than the stock ES.
Tires and struts will make a big difference. I was just driving today thinking how nice the ride still is. A little jarring over sharp surfaces, I still need to try the 26 psi in the tires see what that feels like. Much more my style of ride/handling compromise than the stock ES.
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^^ How do you like your coilovers? How is the ride?
I'm contemplating coilovers for my '95. But i'm wondering how the ride feels, like if I were to take a trip to SoCal on a weekend, is the ride bareable for 5+hours? :P
I'm contemplating coilovers for my '95. But i'm wondering how the ride feels, like if I were to take a trip to SoCal on a weekend, is the ride bareable for 5+hours? :P
10-08-12, 10:00 AM
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If everything on the coil-over is set to soft then it definitely will be bearable.
If you want more comfort for a 5hr trip, install your OEM Wheels, the tire sidewall will provide more comfort than the low profile tires.
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What size wheel do you run?
