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ES's weigh hundreds of pounds more than Camries, so the same 2.5 L engine must work much harder than in Camries.
Ultimately, bacause your ES250 weighs hundreds of pounds more than Camry, and has more sound insulation which encourages harder driving, your ES250’s motor will not be as bullet proof as Camry 2.5.
While I agree with you that the hybrids and V6s can handle the additional acceleration better, the Lexus ES 200 isn't the heaviest car that utilizes the M20A-FKS engine, I'd believe that would go to the Venza, which, according to Google, weighs anywhere between 3,847 & 3,913 lbs, vs ~3,649 for the ES 200 and 3,540 for the Camry.
So I'd say if Toyota felt comfortable throwing the same engine in a 3,913 pound Crossover, the ES should be just fine with an additional 100 pounds of weight over the Camry.
Thank you! Guess people here do have mixed opinions on whether flooring it will cause excessive wear.
It's not a debate. Any time you spin an engine faster or put more load on it, you are causing wear. Same thing when you wash your car, you are stripping away clear coat with every wash. It's the second law of thermodynamics, all things in life will break down.
The point is don't baby it, don't worry it, it's not your concern. As long as you do your part and maintain it, you'll be fine flooring it hot and heavy all day long. It's not for you to think about. It's just a car, drive it =)
Engine wear is caused by: dirty oil, dirty air, dirty fuel, overheating, overrevving, improper maintenance parts. It does not seem that an engine pressed to work within its design limits would cause excessive wear.
Originally Posted by Joules
Thank you! Guess people here do have mixed opinions on whether flooring it will cause excessive wear.
This business that engine wear is "only" caused when it is stressed beyond its design limits is nonsense.
ALL motion causes engine fatigue and wear.
The faster the motion, the greater the load, and the greater the duration - the greater the engine fatigues and wears.
Of course, poor lubrication will cause even greater wear.
Camry weighs between 3,300-3,600 lbs; ES weighs some 3,600-3,800 lbs. A Toyota Venza is about 40 lbs heavier etc.
Back in the 1990's, a typical Formula 1 racing 1.5 L V6 twin turbo would race at 2.5 bars, which is 2.5x atmospheric pressure - and the engine would last 2 races before it had to be rebuilt.
However, the car would qualify or run at short bursts of 5 bar, which is 5x atmospheric pressures, but only for a maximum of 5 minutes - because beyond 5 minutes would cause the motor to blow.
An ES generally won't last as long, not so much due to the extra weight, but the extra sound insulation tends to promote harder driving - without realizing it.
ES250's should be driven sedately, unless urgency arises.
For constant harder driving, best purchase ESh 2.5 L gasoline-electric hybrid, or 3.5 V6.
When ES250 and ES350 are both driven hard - back to back - the 2.5 L four cylcinder motor will never last as long as the 3.5 L V6 motor - regardless of how religioously you do your oil changes.
It's not a debate. Any time you spin an engine faster or put more load on it, you are causing wear. Same thing when you wash your car, you are stripping away clear coat with every wash. It's the second law of thermodynamics, all things in life will break down.
The point is don't baby it, don't worry it, it's not your concern. As long as you do your part and maintain it, you'll be fine flooring it hot and heavy all day long. It's not for you to think about. It's just a car, drive it =)
Now I'm nervous about washing my car which I do every week. How many weeks of life do I have left
I wouldn't want to buy an ES250 ex-demo, nor an ES250 ex-rental vehicle - test drivers & rental drivers would literally thrash the 2.5 L four pot daily.
On the other hand, we wouldn't want to buy an ES250 used off a pensioner couple who only crawl 5 minutes away to the local shopping center once or twice a week either.
There would be so much carbon buildup etc.
I wouldn't want to buy an ES250 ex-demo, nor an ES250 ex-rental vehicle - test drivers & rental drivers would literally thrash the 2.5 L four pot daily.
On the other hand, we wouldn't want to buy an ES250 used off a pensioner couple who only crawl 5 minutes away to the local shopping center once or twice a week either.
There would be so much carbon buildup etc.
It sounds like you wouldn't want this vehicle under just about any conditions.
This reminds me of a conversation I had with my Lexus contact. They basically steered me away from even test driving the ES250. They said the performance is underwhelming and that the benefit of the AWD is negated by the lethargic engine. That should give you an indication of the reality of how this car can be received even by Lexus personnel. Now don't expect this honest feedback from a typical dealer or sales rep. They want to move these cars just like any other.
But if the OP is satisfied with the car then that's what matters. I can only say I wouldn't have one.
It sounds like you wouldn't want this vehicle under just about any conditions.
This reminds me of a conversation I had with my Lexus contact. They basically steered me away from even test driving the ES250. They said the performance is underwhelming and that the benefit of the AWD is negated by the lethargic engine. That should give you an indication of the reality of how this car can be received even by Lexus personnel. Now don't expect this honest feedback from a typical dealer or sales rep. They want to move these cars just like any other.
But if the OP is satisfied with the car then that's what matters. I can only say I wouldn't have one.
I'd have no reliability worries about this car, new or used. But while I haven't driven the car, I agree with UltraLux that I suspect it's just not a very good value for money. C/D diplomatically unloaded on it as a Camry-like experience for the price of two Camry Hybrids. They said the ES 350 is "just a sweeter car" and could probably cope just fine even in cold climes with the addition of winter tires. That would be my bigger concern.
I'd have no reliability worries about this car, new or used. But while I haven't driven the car, I agree with UltraLux that I suspect it's just not a very good value for money. C/D diplomatically unloaded on it as a Camry-like experience for the price of two Camry Hybrids. They said the ES 350 is "just a sweeter car" and could probably cope just fine even in cold climes with the addition of winter tires. That would be my bigger concern.
Every winter I took my 2018 Camry with all seasons to Flagstaff, and 2 years ago we got 14 inches of snow over the weekend and I had 0 issues. Death gripped the steering wheel sure, but never once did I ever think "I need AWD!" It was more of "Next time we're getting winter tires.."
I plan on doing the same thing in my ES once snow hits, with the exception of actually putting winter tires on! But from my understanding AWD really isn't necessary as long as you have good quality winter tires.
Every winter I took my 2018 Camry with all seasons to Flagstaff, and 2 years ago we got 14 inches of snow over the weekend and I had 0 issues. Death gripped the steering wheel sure, but never once did I ever think "I need AWD!" It was more of "Next time we're getting winter tires.."
I plan on doing the same thing in my ES once snow hits, with the exception of actually putting winter tires on! But from my understanding AWD really isn't necessary as long as you have good quality winter tires.
