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Originally Posted by 703
(Post 11175927)
Apple and Google Nav is inferior to HERE technologies for Nav. HERE is used by likes of Audi, BMW and emergency services and has mapping data for over 200 counties.
It was the first to come up with Vector title for different zoom levels while google was still using bitmaps for different zooms. It was first to have offline maps for entire countries in small vector based files with 3D buildings while Google still had to stream in map data. Apple Maps, Google Maps and Waze are all excellent in terms of performance, IMO. The Lexus Nav is not in the same league for a lot of reasons. I have no idea how good HERE is. Never heard of it before. I doubt it's significantly better than Apple Maps, Google Maps and Waze. |
Originally Posted by 703
(Post 11175927)
Apple and Google Nav is inferior to HERE technologies for Nav. HERE is used by likes of Audi, BMW and emergency services and has mapping data for over 200 counties.
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Originally Posted by ionian
(Post 11176210)
Do you have link to an article that back up this claim? I would agree with you 7-10 years ago but Google is king of the hills nowadays. Google maps has over 1B active users per month.
It terms of mapping accuracy for mission critical applications, it is light years ahead of Google. It has mapping data accurate to 10cm. |
Originally Posted by DavidZ
(Post 11176130)
It doesn't matter who was first. What matters is who's the best today.
I have no idea how good HERE is. Never heard of it before. |
Originally Posted by 703
(Post 11176346)
We're talking about automotive grade navigation as per my post above, not debating about google maps and its popularity (which btw is not that popular in Europe and Asia). HERE is a platform for enterprises for the likes of Amazon, Yahoo, Baidu, Facebook, Bing, Intel etc. For automotive BMW, VW Group, Daimler, Ford etc use them. In fact, over 50 OEM car and car navigation brands uses technologies from HERE.
It terms of mapping accuracy for mission critical applications, it is light years ahead of Google. It has mapping data accurate to 10cm. |
Nokia heavily marketed it to European automakers and it became the dominated player in that space. They have a couple of decades head start before Google / Apple got into that field. A few years back HERE was looking for a buyer and a bunch of German automakers band together to purchase it . They have a reason to keep using it over Google Maps, etc to keep their competition at bay. I am sure they are fighting hard to keep their turfs from the likes of Google and Apple.
Nowadays navigation via mobile devices are extremely popular for a variety of reasons. |
No mention of Magellan here😋😋
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I think there is a bit of confusion here.
Navigation performance is not the same as map data. HERE is a map data provider. Then someone else writes the program to use the map data and provide the point to point navigation (route). I think Apple uses TomTom map data, view uses its own software to create the routes. Google uses its own data and software and is always receiving live traffic data from anyone that has google maps installed on their phones. |
Originally Posted by toyotaman7
(Post 11176618)
I think Apple uses TomTom map data, view uses its own software to create the routes.
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Originally Posted by toyotaman7
(Post 11176618)
I think there is a bit of confusion here.
Navigation performance is not the same as map data. HERE is a map data provider. Then someone else writes the program to use the map data and provide the point to point navigation (route). . HERE can provide the navigation platform as well, not just maps data for various industries. You can even download the app on your phone for the consumer mobile slice of that technology. Again, if you look back to the roots, it had navigation even before Google maps was a product. I remember downloading Navteq for offline navigation on a Nokia non smart phone. |
Originally Posted by DavidZ
(Post 11176366)
A quick Google search indicates that Google Maps easily beats out BMW's GPS due to the quality and accuracy of traffic info, rerouting quickness, and map completeness. Those are the factors that matter, not whether it's accurate to 100 cm or 10 cm.
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Originally Posted by ionian
(Post 11176664)
That is true up until last year. Apple has stop licensing from TomTom.
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Apple already moved on from TomTom:
"Since its Maps app launched in 2012, Apple has relied on licensed data from navigation technology companies, including TomTom, to fill in the gaps where it hadn't yet captured its own data. With this latest update, Apple is no longer licensing TomTom data for the US, the company confirmed. Apple Maps now relies on the company's own underlying framework for domestic navigation." https://www.wired.com/story/apple-maps-redesign/ |
Originally Posted by ionian
(Post 11177004)
Apple already moved on from TomTom:
"Since its Maps app launched in 2012, Apple has relied on licensed data from navigation technology companies, including TomTom, to fill in the gaps where it hadn't yet captured its own data. With this latest update, Apple is no longer licensing TomTom data for the US, the company confirmed. Apple Maps now relies on the company's own underlying framework for domestic navigation." https://www.wired.com/story/apple-maps-redesign/ Tapping on the “info” icon on the page led to a Maps Settings menu that still showed TomTom, OpenStreetMap, and the Weather Channel as data sources, because those services still provide data in certain markets. |
I remember the old days when the first cars with GPS, the 98 7 Series, 99 Acura TL/RL (could've been a year or two earlier but around there), the in-car navigation was DVD-based and depended on using an up to date physical DVD (the updates were few and far between) I can't imagine how bad it must've been to use. but still, everyone was wowed by it. it was exotic. it was sought after! Also it was a $2,000 option IIRC.
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