The only thing I enjoy about the nav is it telling you which road you're on... that's it.

 

I rarely use built-in nav from any auto manufacturers since the advent of Waze, Google Maps, and Apple Maps. I rank them in that order for my personal preference from most to least use with built-in nav at bottom of the list. I only fire up built-in nav when I don't have cell signal.

For many years now Apple CarPlay is a requirement for me on new vehicle.

 

Duh, brain cramp! What can I say?

 

Thanks everyone. Maybe Lexus should offer a large screen option without any NAV at a lower cost.

 

Difficult to find either a Lux or Ultra Lux w/o navigation.. Most buyers want the factory nav good or bad... Resale is another issue. No dealer wants a Lexus w/o navigation. They just don't sell... Most dealers send the car to auction. My question is if the car is equipped with dynamic navigation, wouldn't it be constantly updated the same as Waze and Google maps?

 

[QUOTE=bc6152;11041838]My question is if the car is equipped with dynamic navigation, wouldn't it be constantly updated the same as Waze and Google maps?[/QUOTE

Exactly, It would make little economic sense for Lexus (Toyota?) to be constantly updating their own private road/street/highway databases.

It would be interesting to know just how many companies are out their monitoring and updating their own databases.

 

I stopped using Lexus nav for 85% of our already limited use after our 2010 RX.

Short story you can skip if you want.
I gave Lexus nav another chance when the ES was new because I like the turns showing up on the head-up display. I had the concierge service route me to Great Sand Dunes National Park (a National Park!!) from Royal Gorge Bridge in southern Colorado. It's a 2 or 3-hour drive. Rather than routing us to the actual dunes and visitor center, it routed us to the northernmost edge of the park. We found ourselves in a MOST unusual area with several "off the grid" lots and houses, and nothing but dirt roads. The nav kept trying to send us down a road the actually had a permanent sign that said "4 wheel drive and high clearance vehicles only"! We tried our best to follow the directions because we were thinking it might be a back way into the park, and we were lost at that point, anyway. We ended up at a trailhead for off-road vehicles that was LITERALLY at the edge of the Great Sand Dunes National park (there was a sign), but no road that we could have tried, even if we wanted. At this point, neither Google Maps nor Apple Maps had ANY idea where we were. I maintained a general sense of where we needed to be by zooming out on Google Maps until we could see the highway we were supposed to be on, and started taking any turn that pointed us the right direction. I figured there MUST be a normal way into the area for those that live there, so after an hour of taking roads that simply looped back to where we started, we found a paved road that took us the 6 miles back to a county highway. Then Google routed us to the park visitor center. We were still 40 minutes away!

My 4 month old car on which I had just applied a ceramic coating a month earlier, was a mess after well over an hour driving around on dirt "roads", but we were so relieved that we actually saw the humor and adventure in the problem Lexus nav had created for us. I was embarrassed for blindly trusting the nav even though it was clear something was wrong, and for trusting it again to try to get out. Plus, the people that lived in the really odd area had to be laughing at us. Probably watching through their windows (those that had windows), eating popcorn, and watching as we kept driving around in circles. It's actually a great memory that we still joke about, so I have a hard time being mad.

Now I use Apple Maps over CarPlay, and it works great. Even when my phone has no signal. I

 

[QUOTE=dklanecky1;11042254]If you look at the "Map database information and updates" section (see page 290 in the 2019 LEXUS ES 350 Navigation and Multimedia System Owner's Manual version) "END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT" you'll find that Lexus uses third party HERE (was NAVTEQ) supplied data for the navigation system. The license text also mentions coverage of third party data provided to HERE so deities only know the ultimate source of the map data, data quality, and frequency of updating.

 

Sorry, but if you’re not using Waze, your losing hours in traffic (unless you live in an area without any). I’ve never used the factory NAV in my 2021. Never.

 

I still enjoy having the map on my screen even if I'm not using it for routing. And resale with NAV as many have mentioned will suffer. I doubt any native auto system will ever match WAZE.

 

I guess I use CarPlay so it is always on my screen. Your setup may be different though.

 

Yes unfortunately the nav is crap now. It either gets you lost, when you say an address it can't find it, but if you put it in manually it shows up. I have complained to lexus about this, and they said nothing they can do

 

Two words: Google Maps!

Embedded car navigation is an obsolete technology and system. Even Toyota will no longer embed the map and new models will have a subscription based navigation, similar to Google/ Apple/ Waze maps, except payment based. Google maps has ability to save offline maps to use in areas with no cell coverage, but still calculates routes offline.

 

Correct. I have a 2022 ES350 UL and as far as I know there is no embedded nav data, but it is using live Google mapping. I haven’t had any problems with it yet.

 

I have a 2022 ES300h, The Lexus Map has led me to wrong location twice. The address is correct, but led me to an outdated road (perhpas 20 years old), It is a Costco, not something small. The other time, it guided me to an illigal left turn (The road has changed at least 5 years ago). Its truly not trust worthy. The display is also ugly compare to Google Map. I will use Anroid Auto anytime, but they made a poor implementation. With Android Auto, it made media play very difficult, especially while you are driving. This is one of the worst feature of Lexus.