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Originally Posted by LexFinally
(Post 11911418)
Unfortunately, you're not going to get either one of your wishes. This is the final car, and the car designed for the Chinese is the one we get as a smaller, incidental foreign market.
Folks who've loved the ES the last 35 years are going to have to come to terms with the difficult reality that the ES has been discontinued. All that's left is this rebadged China-centric EV and its hybrid cousin, badge-engineered as an "ES" for those of us who admired the old car so much that we're willing to delude ourselves. The ES era was glorious, but it's over. We also have to come to terms that with some models of cars - which are truly a global commodity - the North American/US market does not dictate all styling and design choices. A pickup? Yup, that’s going to heavily lean on American tastes and desires. A luxury minded sedan like the ES? Nope, we don’t buy enough of them anymore so the preferences of other markets take precedence. That’s just the way it works now. |
Originally Posted by Jeaco
(Post 11908238)
We shall see how well that ES is received in the US. My current ES I think has a very comfortable and large enough back seat. 6 inches more in the car length would be a non-started for me. I just tried to see the new IS 2026. It looks like now it will have a hybrid version. While I find the back seat a little small on that one, it might be more appealing to me in the long run. I also think the new ES doesn't look like a lexus, while the new IS keeps the similar lexus family looks.
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The ugly gloss black body trim would not look so extreme on a black car. On other colors the trim pieces could some be painted to body color by the dealer.
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Originally Posted by CJS57
(Post 11912972)
The ugly gloss black body trim would not look so extreme on a black car. On other colors the trim pieces could some be painted to body color by the dealer.
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Originally Posted by CJS57
(Post 11912972)
The ugly gloss black body trim would not look so extreme on a black car. On other colors the trim pieces could some be painted to body color by the dealer.
Originally Posted by ATL350
(Post 11913055)
A good aftermarket opportunity - make replacement trim piece in matching body color.
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Toyota has bet Lexus's future on BEVs. They've committed Lexus to be 100% BEV by 2035.
The rest of the market is having second thoughts about their BEV commitments. Honda just dialed back their commitment to BEVs in a big way (see the article below). Other car manufacturers have backed off their push to electrification as well due to lagging demand for BEVs. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/japan...051912161.html Will Lexus follow suit? |
Battery tech is advancing fast and that is what will drive consumers to purchase with long range and short charging time. Wonder what happens now if you are 250 miles into a 300 mile trip and figured you could do it but using the lights and heat or ac more than usual and you run out of battery. Do you have to be towed to a charging station?
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Originally Posted by alextv
(Post 11913788)
Battery tech is advancing fast and that is what will drive consumers to purchase with long range and short charging time. Wonder what happens now if you are 250 miles into a 300 mile trip and figured you could do it but using the lights and heat or ac more than usual and you run out of battery. Do you have to be towed to a charging station?
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Originally Posted by DavidZ
(Post 11913760)
Toyota has bet Lexus's future on BEVs.
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When you see him standing behind the car at the 15:45 mark, you really see the height. It's almost like the front of an Escalade.
He also says what a lot of us are thinking about price. Lexus largely held the line on ES pricing for a number of years, and they probably didn't get enough credit for that the past five years when most makers didn't do it. Sounds like that's about to end, too. |
Originally Posted by LexFinally
(Post 11914082)
When you see him standing behind the car at the 15:45 mark, you really see the height. It's almost like the front of an Escalade.
He also says what a lot of us are thinking about price. Lexus largely held the line on ES pricing for a number of years, and they probably didn't get enough credit for that the past five years when most makers didn't do it. Sounds like that's about to end, too. |
Originally Posted by mikemu30
(Post 11914086)
I'm no fan of the copper color...
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The new Rav4 looks much better than this new ES. Don't know why Lexus couldn't do a re-skin of the current ES, would've been 40x more classier than this zig zag monster they created
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Yeah, the initial reaction of course is that this thing is hideous. Bigger picture observation is, styles change. They have to - sometimes dramatically. And in time most people won't look so harshly on it...maybe. Cars from the 50's look nothing like the 60's, look nothing like the 80's, and so on.
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