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hrpufnstuf Mar 7, 2025 04:40 AM

Tire rotation methods
 
I took my 2024 ES350 in yesterday for state inspection and 10,000 mile service (it actually has 5460 miles) but it's 18 months old now. This was the second tire rotation. The first was in August at 3500 miles. I asked the service tech if they were going to use the forward cross or X pattern and he said no, the front to rear. He offered to do the forward cross or X pattern if I wanted but I decided to do the front to rear this time and investigate further for future rotations.

What are your thoughts on the best method for my FWD ES?

Clutchless Mar 7, 2025 05:13 AM

Many tires have directional thread designed to operate best in one direction and can only be rotated front to back to maintain optimum designed performance and traction.
You need to examine the sidewall of your tires to determine if they contain a rotation direction arrow.
The old X method is only for tires that are non-directional as it reverses the rotation of the tires.

edbro Mar 7, 2025 05:41 AM

The owner's manual recommends front to rear.

ESh Mar 7, 2025 06:10 AM

Front to rear, yes.

Denzlex Mar 7, 2025 09:02 PM

For most even wear of non directional tires, fronts go straight back, and rears go to front- opposite side.

grp52 Mar 7, 2025 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by edbro (Post 11875903)
The owner's manual recommends front to rear.

The US and Canadian Owner's Manual does; however, the UK Owner's Manual has this tire rotation illustration:
UK tire rotation

Denzlex Mar 8, 2025 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by grp52 (Post 11876403)
The US and Canadian Owner's Manual does; however, the UK Owner's Manual has this tire rotation illustration:
UK tire rotation

This is best for even wear of all tires. Just going front to back, or an “X” rotation means each tire spends time at only 2 corners, where as the above method means each tire will spend equal time at all 4 corners with consistent rotations.
Just takes a few more minutes. I jack up the back first, rotate the rears, then rotate front to back.

grp52 Mar 8, 2025 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by Denzlex (Post 11876645)
This is best for even wear of all tires. Just going front to back, or an “X” rotation means each tire spends time at only 2 corners, where as the above method means each tire will spend equal time at all 4 corners with consistent rotations.
Just takes a few more minutes. I jack up the back first, rotate the rears, then rotate front to back.

Wonder why the US Lexus Owner's Manual recommends the forward-rear rotation pattern. Neither Bridgestone's Tire Rotation: How and Why to Rotate Your Tires or Michelin's Tire rotation: How and why to rotate your tires prefer/recommend that pattern except for directional tires; instead, for front wheel drive non-directional tire rotation both recommend what Bridgestone terms the "forward cross" pattern (the UK Owner's Manual pattern):

​​​​​​​2. FORWARD CROSS (FRONT-WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES):

Rear tires are moved diagonally to opposite sides on the front axle while the right front tire becomes the new spare tire. The spare tire is positioned on the right side of the rear axle while the left tire on the front axle is moved directly back into the left rear position.
I thought we were long past the days of worrying about directional radial tires and there's no US regulation I can find dictating a tire rotation pattern.

P.S. Bridgestone does recommend the forward-rear rotation pattern for "high performance" tires but Bridgestone doesn't classify the Lexus ES OEM Bridgestne Turanza EL 440 as a "high performance" tire.

Denzlex Mar 8, 2025 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by grp52 (Post 11876675)
Wonder why the US Lexus Owner's Manual recommends the forward-rear rotation pattern. Neither Bridgestone's Tire Rotation: How and Why to Rotate Your Tires or Michelin's Tire rotation: How and why to rotate your tires prefer/recommend that pattern except for directional tires; instead, for front wheel drive non-directional tire rotation both recommend what Bridgestone terms the "forward cross" pattern (the UK Owner's Manual pattern):


I thought we were long past the days of worrying about directional radial tires and there's no US regulation I can find dictating a tire rotation pattern.

P.S. Bridgestone does recommend the forward-rear rotation pattern for "high performance" tires but Bridgestone doesn't classify the Lexus ES OEM Bridgestne Turanza EL 440 as a "high performance" tire.

I don’t know why Lexus recommends simple front to back rotation when it’s not best for tire longevity. Maybe they’re afraid anything else would confuse their techs.

zul8tr Mar 9, 2025 04:57 AM

Yes it might be the best for wear but sometimes cross rotation might cause a pull left or right that wasn't there before the rotation. Been there at times with the effect and had to rotate them same side.

jfz219 Mar 9, 2025 05:36 AM

Tires should always be rotated side to side. This distributes curb rash to all four wheels.

alextv Mar 9, 2025 07:19 AM

Discount Tire does forward cross

tammap Mar 9, 2025 01:42 PM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.clu...236c2b4d62.gif

E46CT Mar 10, 2025 08:06 AM

your tires are going to last so incredibly long on this type of car that it's not too big of a deal. just rotate front to back and swap out every 5k. maybe 7k if you have a busy life.

all this does is extend the life of your tires as a set

edbro Mar 10, 2025 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by E46CT (Post 11877479)
just rotate front to back and swap out every 5k.

I'm not sure what you mean by "swap out". Swap sides?


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