Tire Noise GS, ES & LS ??
11-04-15, 06:16 AM
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Tire Noise GS, ES & LS ??
I noticed when completing a number of test drives of several Lexus' (or Lexi) how immensely sensitive all 3 are, especially the ES, to different tires. The cars are so very quiet, but seems to amplify any road surface changes more than other makes of car, even other quiet cars, of less expense. I'm no engineer. Any idea why Lexus is so sensitive to tire selection and noise, and anything that will temper it?
11-04-15, 07:55 AM
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1st - I believe it is due to the car's quietness that we notice it more.
2nd - The dealers tend to over inflate the tires. If you can, be sure to check them before the test drive and make sure they are at the specified amount on the label located on the driver's door. It makes a difference in ride and noise.
2nd - The dealers tend to over inflate the tires. If you can, be sure to check them before the test drive and make sure they are at the specified amount on the label located on the driver's door. It makes a difference in ride and noise.
11-04-15, 10:19 AM
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Tires are very important to how a Lexus rides and the noise level you get, always has been that way.
What tempers it is making sure you always run the quietest riding tires available.
What tempers it is making sure you always run the quietest riding tires available.
11-04-15, 10:31 AM
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MXV4 going away, not a lot of quiet options out there. CR doesn't have any "excellent" low noise tires any more. Didn't know if any other way to make the car less noise sensitive to tire/road surface.
Thanks for everyone's insights.
11-04-15, 10:43 AM
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What has always perplexed me is, knowing that why does Lexus choose to outfit some of their cars with loud tires from the factory?!? For instance, the ES comes on very quiet Primacy MXV4s OR loud Bridgestones. The GS comes on quiet Primacy MXM4s OR loud Dunlops. Luck of the draw what you get. Makes a big difference too.
MXV4 going away, not a lot of quiet options out there. CR doesn't have any "excellent" low noise tires any more. Didn't know if any other way to make the car less noise sensitive to tire/road surface.
Tons of reviews out about the Pirellis, overwhelmingly positive. Not nearly as many about the Toyos although what is there is also very positive.
I recently emailed TreadDepot (they stock both) and asked their opinion:
Good morning Steve,
I can honestly say you aren’t going to go wrong with either tire. Both are premium lines that will give you an excellent ride and low noise. Between the two, the Pirelli has slightly better light snow traction (if that’s important), a little bit better dry traction, and it’s still a lower rolling resistance tire. Downside is some people think it’s a little bit louder, but I’ve driven cars with them and didn’t think that was the case at all. The Toyo’s will offer a slightly better ride and are a little quieter, but you do lose a little bit of mileage warranty over the Pirelli. I’d go with the Toyo if noise and ride are more important and the Pirelli if you want better handling. Again, both are excellent choices for your LS and you’re really only talking minor differences between them. If you have any questions please feel free to give me a call or shoot me an email!
Andrew
I can honestly say you aren’t going to go wrong with either tire. Both are premium lines that will give you an excellent ride and low noise. Between the two, the Pirelli has slightly better light snow traction (if that’s important), a little bit better dry traction, and it’s still a lower rolling resistance tire. Downside is some people think it’s a little bit louder, but I’ve driven cars with them and didn’t think that was the case at all. The Toyo’s will offer a slightly better ride and are a little quieter, but you do lose a little bit of mileage warranty over the Pirelli. I’d go with the Toyo if noise and ride are more important and the Pirelli if you want better handling. Again, both are excellent choices for your LS and you’re really only talking minor differences between them. If you have any questions please feel free to give me a call or shoot me an email!
Andrew
11-04-15, 11:04 AM
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I wouldn't go that far at all, especially up the chain. The LS comes on terrible Bridgestone EL42 tires that get poor marks for being loud, yet its very quiet. I'm sure on better tires it will be even quieter. The GS is more sensitive and the ES still (I've had them all).
What has always perplexed me is, knowing that why does Lexus choose to outfit some of their cars with loud tires from the factory?!? For instance, the ES comes on very quiet Primacy MXV4s OR loud Bridgestones. The GS comes on quiet Primacy MXM4s OR loud Dunlops. Luck of the draw what you get. Makes a big difference too.
Like I posted in another thread, I would choose the Pirelli Cinturato P7 Plus or the Toyo Versado Noir. he Toyos aren't as widely available, and TireRack doesn't sell them. My independent does, and I put them on the GS to replace the Primacy MXM4 when they wore out, was very happy. I had intended to get the Pirellis but they were out.
Tons of reviews out about the Pirellis, overwhelmingly positive. Not nearly as many about the Toyos although what is there is also very positive.
I recently emailed TreadDepot (they stock both) and asked their opinion:
For your ES purchase though, just request that they give you the Primacy MXV4 as that tire is still being shipped by Lexus. You'll be good until time to replace.
What has always perplexed me is, knowing that why does Lexus choose to outfit some of their cars with loud tires from the factory?!? For instance, the ES comes on very quiet Primacy MXV4s OR loud Bridgestones. The GS comes on quiet Primacy MXM4s OR loud Dunlops. Luck of the draw what you get. Makes a big difference too.
Like I posted in another thread, I would choose the Pirelli Cinturato P7 Plus or the Toyo Versado Noir. he Toyos aren't as widely available, and TireRack doesn't sell them. My independent does, and I put them on the GS to replace the Primacy MXM4 when they wore out, was very happy. I had intended to get the Pirellis but they were out.
Tons of reviews out about the Pirellis, overwhelmingly positive. Not nearly as many about the Toyos although what is there is also very positive.
I recently emailed TreadDepot (they stock both) and asked their opinion:
For your ES purchase though, just request that they give you the Primacy MXV4 as that tire is still being shipped by Lexus. You'll be good until time to replace.
...but your point well made, different tires, same car from factory feels like different car to me.I also saw SWLS15 that Toyo seems to have great return policy, 500mi/45 day. Seems a great option. Good luck!
Last edited by kellens; 11-04-15 at 11:20 AM.
11-06-15, 01:31 PM
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Just read through this and the info on the P7+. Just bought a GS and the dealer is checking to see if they can order this for me. I would pay the difference which is fine. The ratings look stellar.
Done deal, dealer is great.
Thx
Done deal, dealer is great.
Thx
I wouldn't go that far at all, especially up the chain. The LS comes on terrible Bridgestone EL42 tires that get poor marks for being loud, yet its very quiet. I'm sure on better tires it will be even quieter. The GS is more sensitive and the ES still (I've had them all).
What has always perplexed me is, knowing that why does Lexus choose to outfit some of their cars with loud tires from the factory?!? For instance, the ES comes on very quiet Primacy MXV4s OR loud Bridgestones. The GS comes on quiet Primacy MXM4s OR loud Dunlops. Luck of the draw what you get. Makes a big difference too.
Like I posted in another thread, I would choose the Pirelli Cinturato P7 Plus or the Toyo Versado Noir. he Toyos aren't as widely available, and TireRack doesn't sell them. My independent does, and I put them on the GS to replace the Primacy MXM4 when they wore out, was very happy. I had intended to get the Pirellis but they were out.
Tons of reviews out about the Pirellis, overwhelmingly positive. Not nearly as many about the Toyos although what is there is also very positive.
I recently emailed TreadDepot (they stock both) and asked their opinion:
For your ES purchase though, just request that they give you the Primacy MXV4 as that tire is still being shipped by Lexus. You'll be good until time to replace.
What has always perplexed me is, knowing that why does Lexus choose to outfit some of their cars with loud tires from the factory?!? For instance, the ES comes on very quiet Primacy MXV4s OR loud Bridgestones. The GS comes on quiet Primacy MXM4s OR loud Dunlops. Luck of the draw what you get. Makes a big difference too.
Like I posted in another thread, I would choose the Pirelli Cinturato P7 Plus or the Toyo Versado Noir. he Toyos aren't as widely available, and TireRack doesn't sell them. My independent does, and I put them on the GS to replace the Primacy MXM4 when they wore out, was very happy. I had intended to get the Pirellis but they were out.
Tons of reviews out about the Pirellis, overwhelmingly positive. Not nearly as many about the Toyos although what is there is also very positive.
I recently emailed TreadDepot (they stock both) and asked their opinion:
For your ES purchase though, just request that they give you the Primacy MXV4 as that tire is still being shipped by Lexus. You'll be good until time to replace.
Last edited by BB11; 11-06-15 at 04:33 PM.
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11-16-15, 01:45 PM
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Back in the 1970's when automakers were not obsessed with weight reduction some basic American cars like the Chevy Impala / Caprice had 2-3 layers of thick sound insulation under the carpets, plus acoustic insulation inside the doors, behind the rear seat and inside the trunk.
11-16-15, 06:29 PM
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Because under the carpets, under the back seat, under the trunk mat / rear wheel housings and inside the doors of Toyota/Lexus vehicles there is no dense, heavy sound barrier insulation nor thick acoustical absorber insulation like American luxury cars used to have in the 1990's and earlier decades.
Back in the 1970's when automakers were not obsessed with weight reduction some basic American cars like the Chevy Impala / Caprice had 2-3 layers of thick sound insulation under the carpets, plus acoustic insulation inside the doors, behind the rear seat and inside the trunk.
Back in the 1970's when automakers were not obsessed with weight reduction some basic American cars like the Chevy Impala / Caprice had 2-3 layers of thick sound insulation under the carpets, plus acoustic insulation inside the doors, behind the rear seat and inside the trunk.
Where's the best value to cut the noise? Pulling carpet and adding padding/matting? Door panels? Trunk?
11-16-15, 07:30 PM
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Best value is good tires.
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