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STerasedU Aug 23, 2022 09:15 PM

Eco mode vs Normal mode is it bad
 
2018 ES 350 FWD. I'm starting to drive in eco mode more. Is it bad in anyway for the car and how much more mpg can I expect??

Mike728 Aug 24, 2022 10:20 AM

Not bad, just useless.

Kijug Aug 24, 2022 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by STerasedU (Post 11349972)
2018 ES 350 FWD. I'm starting to drive in eco mode more. Is it bad in anyway for the car and how much more mpg can I expect??

If you drive a road trip, you might save 1 MPG. In the city, it really doesn't matter with stop-n-go traffic...other than you don't have quick acceleration to do what you need to do. I have tried to determine the difference and it really isn't much.

That said, I drive in ECO mode on road trips 'cause it makes me feel like I'm saving something...and SPORT mode in the city 'cause I prefer the steering feel (real or not).

Stu Aug 24, 2022 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by Mike728 (Post 11350256)
Not bad, just useless.

it must do something ..... transmission shifting points ? reduced power steering assist. Its the largest button on the center console, it has to do.something !

Mike728 Aug 24, 2022 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by Stu (Post 11350552)
it must do something ..... transmission shifting points ? reduced power steering assist. Its the largest button on the center console, it has to do.something !

On the ES, it only reduces throttle response and A/C function. That said, if you mash the pedal to the floor, it makes no difference in acceleration. I always switched to sport mode, mainly for the stiffer steering wheel. Oh, and I liked the red dash. :)

ptthere Aug 24, 2022 10:40 PM

Eco will give you less throttle response compared to normal, and the shift points will be lower in the RPM band. The best I can tell, holding the gas pedal down 50% in Eco is like holding the pedal down 40% in Normal, if that makes sense.

703 Aug 25, 2022 05:00 AM

Eco on an es350 is an oxymoron. It’s the wrong car of choice if you’re into eco driving.

Mike728 Aug 25, 2022 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by ptthere (Post 11350730)
...the shift points will be lower in the RPM band....

This is not the case on the ES. It's documented somewhere on the forum, as this question has been brought up several times in the past.

cephas Oct 9, 2022 11:51 AM

I actually like the throttle response in Eco better than Normal, (probably because I have a heavy foot) so I use that mode all the time. Probably get around 1 mpg better mileage as a result. In stop and go CA driving, normal and sport tries to put too much power down to the front wheels when making lane changes on the highway from a complete stop, and I get too much torque steer and non-Lexus behavior.

mcomer Oct 10, 2022 07:36 AM

Active ECO (you act to turn the knob and the car Acts differently) modifies the throttle response,
shift points, HVAC operation and cruise control response. A/C seems to have the greatest effect
on actual MPG, you can simply press the throttle harder and negate any gains the throttle or cruise
control mapping tried to provide.
Note: Passive ECO is the green letters that pop up on the occasions you are actually driving "Economically"
or "Ecologically" and you are rewarded with a gold star for your restraint.

Mike728 Oct 10, 2022 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by mcomer (Post 11375564)
Active ECO (you act to turn the knob and the car Acts differently) modifies the throttle response,
shift points, HVAC operation and cruise control response. A/C seems to have the greatest effect
on actual MPG, you can simply press the throttle harder and negate any gains the throttle or cruise
control mapping tried to provide....

It does not modify shift points on the 6th gen ES. Some Tech Specialist you are. :)

mcomer Oct 10, 2022 10:51 AM

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Nice catch, knowing I saw it somewhere I have attached excerpts from TIS...
GS 350's Drive Mode affect the shift points, ES 350's do not.


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