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heidihidin Dec 21, 2017 05:07 PM

ultra luxury
 
hi all
is ultra luxury package for the ES listed on the sales invoice as such?
how much is it and what is included?

thank you

lesz Dec 21, 2017 06:41 PM

The Ultra Luxury package includes semi-aniline leather, driver's seat thigh extender, front passenger seat memory settings, ambient lighting, rear sun shade, rear passenger sun shades, heated and ventilated seats, and a panoramic roof. While some other features are not technically a part of the Ultra Luxury package, virtually all UL ESs also have the Mark Levinson sound system, navigation system, blind spot monitor, and park assist. Depending on the model year, the UL package for the ES has come with a price of $3000-3500, but, with the other options that typically come on an UL package ES, the price of an UL package ES has been around $4000-5000 more than that of a typically equipped Luxury package ES. So, the typical UL package ES has had an MSRP of around $50,000 (a little less for a 2013 or 2014 UL ES and a little more than $50,000 for a 2018 UL ES.

Any packages, including the UL package and the Luxury package are listed on the right hand side of the window sticker.

heidihidin Dec 21, 2017 07:11 PM

so what is this one? just a luxury package?https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.clu...873b924317.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.clu...d335e21a79.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.clu...760a8695d1.jpg

lesz Dec 21, 2017 07:32 PM

Yes, as indicated by the $1370 option.

heidihidin Dec 21, 2017 07:33 PM

i see that but the total options price is over 6k that is my confusion

lesz Dec 21, 2017 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by heidihidin (Post 10061604)
i see that but the total options price is over 6k that is my confusion

Items like the navigation system, HID headlights, etc. are not included in any of the packages. For the 2013 or 2014 model year, most Luxury package ESs would have had the navigation system, HID headlights, upgraded wheels, park assist, and blind spot monitor, and many also had the rear sunshade and a few other options, and those options would have built up the MSRP.

For 2013 and 2014, most Luxury package ESs had a MSRP between about $44,000 and $45,000. Most UL ESs for those years would have had an MSRP of around $49,000.

heidihidin Dec 21, 2017 07:48 PM

thank you
what is an acceptable price for this 14 with 42k miles?

lesz Dec 22, 2017 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by heidihidin (Post 10061621)
thank you
what is an acceptable price for this 14 with 42k miles?

Assuming that the car is a CPO vehicle, Edmunds prices it at around $27,000, and KBB has it at around $26,000.

About a year ago, I traded my 2013 ES, which had about 25,000 miles on it, and the dealer was offering it as CPO vehicle for $27,000. You can assume that a 2014 ES now should be worth about as much as a 2013 ES was a year ago. Mine was a Luxury package ES equipped similarly to the 2014 that you are looking at, but it had a few more options. The lower mileage on mine should have made it worth about $2000 more than a car with 44,000 miles. Also, mine was in virtually perfect condition. Putting all of that together, I'd say that a price of somewhere around $25,000 to $26,000 is probably a fair price for the car that you are looking at.

It should be noted, though, that shopping for a used/CPO vehicle is a bit different than shopping for a new car. When you shop for a new car, if the price isn't right at one dealership, other dealerships are going to have access to essentially the same cars. With a CPO car, however, other dealers are not likely to have ones that are identical with regard to color, packages, options, and condition. Thus, if I was shopping for a CPO vehicle and if I found one that I really liked, I would be a bit more flexible about pricing, and I wouldn't risk losing it because of a few hundred dollars because I'd know that I might not find a similar vehicle somewhere else for a while.

heidihidin Dec 22, 2017 07:06 AM

the car is not cpo
came off a lease and was sold by lexus at auction
being offered for sale by a toyota dealer

jgscott Dec 22, 2017 05:00 PM

Have you done a Carfax? Biggest evaluator.

heidihidin Dec 22, 2017 05:05 PM

yes no accidents one owner lease with regular maintenance at lexus dealer
the car did have the alternator go bad at 30k miles and it was replaced under warranty

heidihidin Dec 22, 2017 06:55 PM

the car is silver with dark gray leather with options listed above and 42k miles
it needs new tires and all brakes are at about 6mm
it is priced at 23.9 is this a good deal?
how much longer will 6mm pads last with non aggressive driving?

lesz Dec 23, 2017 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by heidihidin (Post 10062411)
the car is silver with dark gray leather with options listed above and 42k miles
it needs new tires and all brakes are at about 6mm
it is priced at 23.9 is this a good deal?
how much longer will 6mm pads last with non aggressive driving?

Brake pads typically start out with about 12 mm of depth, and they would typically be replaced at around 4 mm. So, the brake pads on your car have only about 1/4 of their useful life left. With both the brake pads and the tires, I would try to negotiate having them replaced as a part of the purchase deal. Even if you have to pay some of the cost, it will cost the dealer much less to replace brake pads or tires than it would cost you to have it done at retail prices. Thus, having the dealer agree to do it now should mean lower cost to you than if you have it done, say, 6 months from now.

Considering the tires and the brakes, the $23,900 price is probably somewhere in the range between a little high to about right for a 2014 Luxury package ES with 42,000 miles on the odometer. Again, if you could get them to replace the tires and the brake pads, I think that you would be doing well.

heidihidin Dec 23, 2017 08:24 AM

they want another 1000 to replace the tires with michelin and do pads/machine all around

bc6152 Dec 23, 2017 09:19 AM

I'd offer the dealer $22k with the brakes and tires included. They're asking almost $25k for the car with the work completed. If they balk at $22k I'd go up to $22.5k and walk away if the offer is refused...


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