Does anyone aware of any changes to 2017 ES? even minor changes? Considering ES, but also LS but very pricey! Is the ride quality that much better in LS for the increased $$$$? I would only consider LS for a smoother ride quality like lexus of old......

 

The quality of material in the LS is way better than the ES. The LS is also RWD or AWD, which allows the LS to handle better, while offering the best ride in the lineup. More power in the LS too. If you can afford it, then do it! It's about to be redesigned, so you could probably get a good deal.

On the ES, there probably won't be too many changes since it was just face lifted. There could be a chance for a larger screen like in the 2017 IS, but low probability.

 

Looking to buy 2022 es300H test drove and found seats to be horrid. Are the 23 seats better, or should I look at 5th gen with low miles. Looking To buy for retirement, long road trips. Comfortable seats Toyota reliability (I have a 2005 Prius with 386K) and great mileage. Any input would be greatly appreciated.