Should I just flip a coin? (Tires)
12-06-09, 07:42 AM
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Should I just flip a coin? (Tires)
Michelin Primacy MXV4 vs Bridgestone Turanza Serenity.
Similar performance characteristics (wet/dry), similar user ratings on Tire Rack. Some people say the tires are silent. Others complain about noise from both tires (both road noise and that high pitched 'singing'). Difference in price of only a few dollars.
Really, how is a guy to decide?!?
I have snows for the winter, I just need a safe/quiet/comfortable tire.
And I know this is the millionth thread about ES350 tires, but these two models seem to be the main contenders.
So....should I just flip a coin?
Similar performance characteristics (wet/dry), similar user ratings on Tire Rack. Some people say the tires are silent. Others complain about noise from both tires (both road noise and that high pitched 'singing'). Difference in price of only a few dollars.
Really, how is a guy to decide?!?
I have snows for the winter, I just need a safe/quiet/comfortable tire.
And I know this is the millionth thread about ES350 tires, but these two models seem to be the main contenders.
So....should I just flip a coin?
12-06-09, 07:55 AM
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Check out the owner's reviews:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=GTAS
Owner's liked both, but the Michelin a little better.
Treadwear rating really has little meaning. There is not a federal standard, and the manufacturer's develop their own standards. It works within a brand, but not from brand to brand.
Lou
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=GTAS
Owner's liked both, but the Michelin a little better.
Treadwear rating really has little meaning. There is not a federal standard, and the manufacturer's develop their own standards. It works within a brand, but not from brand to brand.
Lou
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12-07-09, 08:17 AM
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I went with Michelin Primacy - they had the highest customer rating on Tire Rack for all weather traction, handling and noise. And the mileage warranty is important for me - I hate it when I have to change tires every two years. Have driven on them in snow first time this morning - they feel very good.
Noise - it depends more on the roads that you usually drive on (with any tire). These Michelin tires are whisper quiet on new blacktop, but naturally would give you some noise on grooved concrete. It's all relative, but when you get the average of hundreds of reviews, you can rely on the power of statistics.
So, yes, it's a roll of the die for you.
Noise - it depends more on the roads that you usually drive on (with any tire). These Michelin tires are whisper quiet on new blacktop, but naturally would give you some noise on grooved concrete. It's all relative, but when you get the average of hundreds of reviews, you can rely on the power of statistics.
So, yes, it's a roll of the die for you.
12-08-09, 11:57 AM
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The difference between V and H is so minimal I doubt it really matters.
12-08-09, 01:47 PM
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Don't forget... Car companies have to equip the cars with tires based on the vehicle's top speed. The ES350 top speed is 137 mph (per major mags)... so that dictates a V rated tire. Obviously not a speed that most ES350 will ever approach, but they've got to cover themselves.
H rated only rated up to 130mph.
As far as when you replace them and in day to day driving, the difference would be negligible. All comes down to personal preference beyond that.
H rated only rated up to 130mph.
As far as when you replace them and in day to day driving, the difference would be negligible. All comes down to personal preference beyond that.
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I just put on a set of Yokohoma Avid S and they seem to be working out just great. Not noisey, good traction in the wet&dry and today even in the snow that weren't bad. You could make them spin if you want to. Only have about 700 miles on them a trip to Pittsburgh and back plus around town. Paid like $620. including all the junk that goes with tires they even put the nitrogen back in. And that was at the stealership, I was surprised, they were just a little cheaper than tirerack people around here, and I got to use their car for the day. Also had the 30k service done.
03-15-10, 03:05 AM
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Michelin Primacy MXV4 (H) or Michelin Pilot Exalto A/S (V)
I went with Michelin Primacy - they had the highest customer rating on Tire Rack for all weather traction, handling and noise. And the mileage warranty is important for me - I hate it when I have to change tires every two years. Have driven on them in snow first time this morning - they feel very good.
Noise - it depends more on the roads that you usually drive on (with any tire). These Michelin tires are whisper quiet on new blacktop, but naturally would give you some noise on grooved concrete. It's all relative, but when you get the average of hundreds of reviews, you can rely on the power of statistics.
So, yes, it's a roll of the dice for you.
Noise - it depends more on the roads that you usually drive on (with any tire). These Michelin tires are whisper quiet on new blacktop, but naturally would give you some noise on grooved concrete. It's all relative, but when you get the average of hundreds of reviews, you can rely on the power of statistics.
So, yes, it's a roll of the dice for you.
After beating this dead horse issue to death, in October 09, I put the Primacy on both the wife's 2002 ES300 & my 2009 CamryV6 (with aftermarket 17" wheels 215/55/17 tires) based mostly on tirerack.com owner reviews. They are flawless with superb handling and great traction on ice & snow even though only H rated. Wouldn't you know ... right afterwards, Consumer Reports Nov 09 comes in the mail and rates Michelin as best tire. 60,000 mile Primacy as best H; 45,000 mile Pilot Exalto as best V. Thus, if you are a normal driver, go with the Primacy ..... if you like to put the pedal to the metal on curvy roads and/or drive through the desert at 100+mph ...... go with the Pilot Exalto.
Forget anything Bridgestone. The front 16" OEM Turanzas EL400's on my Camry were almost down to the treadwear indicators after 8500 miles and I am not a "spirited" driver. [replaced factory wheels with Lexus ES350 size Avalon LTD 9 spoke 17" wheels].