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P0420 CEL - hard starting when hot - have Live data

Old 08-25-17, 04:38 PM
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Default P0420 CEL - hard starting when hot - have Live data

I've been getting the P0420 CEL pretty regularly,and I have a hard start issue after engine is hot, I got some live data when the symptom has occurred.

Symptom primarily is hard starting when engine is up to operating temperature, and engine has been shut off for more than 20 minutes. The hard starting is independent of the CEL.The car starts just fine when cold.After about a one minute warm up, I drive off. The car is a little hesitant under acceleration until it gets a couple of miles of highway driving. Once it is up to full operating temp, and I stop the engine, it will restart immediately after shutdown with no issue. But wait about 20 minutes and try to restart, it will start and idle fine for about two seconds, then idle drops below 500 rpm, and is a rough idle. If I try to give it a little gas, it burbles and runs worse, then will eventually die. Subsequent restart attempts fail. After several attempts, it will finally start and run fine. If I don't give it any gas, then t idles very slow and rough for about 30 seconds, then most of the time the idle slowly creeps back up to about 700 rpm and then runs fine.

I've done this much to the car: Smoked out and fixed a vacuum leak (bank 2 cam cover), removed and replaced all intake system gaskets, rubber intake snorkels and re-torqued manifold, replaced two MAF sensors (second one is a Denso) replaced PCV valve, replaced fuel filter, spark plugs, coil packs, and fuel injectors (all previous work), cleaned throttle body, replaced IAC valve and throttle position sensor. I am reasonable sure I don't have any vacuum leaks.

I've recorded some live data when the rough idle was occurring, and after it ran fine, for comparison. I've noticed differences in fuel trim in Bank 1, and in the voltages from the backmost o2 sensor. It may be a too lean condition for bank 1 for that short period of time. I appreciate any thoughts you may have.

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Old 08-25-17, 04:48 PM
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***Begin recording after hot startup***

Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2(%)36.7
Engine RPM(rpm) 515
Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)0
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder(¡£)-8.5
Intake Air Temperature(¡£F)149
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor(lb/s)0.01
Absolute Throttle Position(%)10.2
Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12--B2S1---
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.0
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.000
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 2-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 2-Sensor 1(%)0.0
OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedOBDII
----------------------
Numbers of DTCs 0
Fuel system 1 statusOL
Fuel System 2 statusOL
Calculated Load Value(%)47.5
Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)192
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1(%)32.0
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 2(%)0.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2(%)36.7
Engine RPM(rpm) 504
Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)0
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder(¡£)-7.5
Intake Air Temperature(¡£F)147
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor(lb/s)0.01
Absolute Throttle Position(%)10.2
Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12--B2S1---
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.0
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.005
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 2-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 2-Sensor 1(%)0.0
OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedOBDII
----------------------
Numbers of DTCs 0
Fuel system 1 statusOL
Fuel System 2 statusOL
Calculated Load Value(%)54.5
Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)190
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1(%)35.9
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 2(%)0.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2(%)37.5
Engine RPM(rpm) 398
Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)0
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder(¡£)-9.0
Intake Air Temperature(¡£F)147
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor(lb/s)0.01
Absolute Throttle Position(%)10.2
Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12--B2S1---
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.0
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.015
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 2-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 2-Sensor 1(%)0.0
OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedOBDII
----------------------
Numbers of DTCs 0
Fuel system 1 statusOL
Fuel System 2 statusOL
Calculated Load Value(%)45.5
Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)190
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1(%)35.9
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 2(%)0.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2(%)36.7
Engine RPM(rpm) 537
Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)0
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder(¡£)-7.5
Intake Air Temperature(¡£F)145
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor(lb/s)0.01
Absolute Throttle Position(%)10.2
Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12--B2S1---
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.0
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.020
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 2-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 2-Sensor 1(%)0.0
OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedOBDII
----------------------
Numbers of DTCs 0
Fuel system 1 statusOL
Fuel System 2 statusOL
Calculated Load Value(%)45.1
Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)190
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1(%)35.2
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 2(%)0.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2(%)35.2
Engine RPM(rpm) 487
Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)0
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder(¡£)-8.0
Intake Air Temperature(¡£F)145
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor(lb/s)0.01
Absolute Throttle Position(%)10.2
Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12--B2S1---
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.0
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.020
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 2-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 2-Sensor 1(%)0.0
OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedOBDII
----------------------
Numbers of DTCs 0
Fuel system 1 statusOL
Fuel System 2 statusOL
Calculated Load Value(%)42.0
Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)190
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1(%)34.4
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 2(%)0.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2(%)38.3
Engine RPM(rpm) 609
Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)0
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder(¡£)0.5
Intake Air Temperature(¡£F)145
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor(lb/s)0.01
Absolute Throttle Position(%)10.2
Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12--B2S1---
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.665
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.0
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.025
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 2-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 2-Sensor 1(%)0.0
OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedOBDII
----------------------
Numbers of DTCs 0
Fuel system 1 statusOL
Fuel System 2 statusOL
Calculated Load Value(%)47.1
Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)190
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1(%)36.7
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 2(%)0.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2(%)41.4
Engine RPM(rpm) 493
Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)0
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder(¡£)0.5
Intake Air Temperature(¡£F)145
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor(lb/s)0.01
Absolute Throttle Position(%)10.2
Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12--B2S1---
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.665
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)0.0
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.020
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 2-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 2-Sensor 1(%)0.0
OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedOBDII
----------------------
Numbers of DTCs 0
Fuel system 1 statusCL
Fuel System 2 statusOL
Calculated Load Value(%)35.7
Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)190
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)0.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1(%)40.6
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 2(%)0.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2(%)43.8
Engine RPM(rpm) 469
Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)0
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder(¡£)-2.0
Intake Air Temperature(¡£F)145
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor(lb/s)0.01
Absolute Throttle Position(%)10.2
Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12--B2S1---
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.670
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)1.6
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.020
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 2-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 2-Sensor 1(%)0.0
OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedOBDII
----------------------
Numbers of DTCs 0
Fuel system 1 statusCL
Fuel System 2 statusOL
Calculated Load Value(%)31.4
Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)190
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)2.3
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1(%)40.6
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 2(%)0.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2(%)44.5
Engine RPM(rpm) 464
Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)0
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder(¡£)-3.0
Intake Air Temperature(¡£F)145
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor(lb/s)0.01
Absolute Throttle Position(%)10.2
Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12--B2S1---
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.675
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)4.7
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.025
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 2-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 2-Sensor 1(%)0.0
OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedOBDII
----------------------
Numbers of DTCs 0
Fuel system 1 statusCL
Fuel System 2 statusCL
Calculated Load Value(%)28.6
Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)190
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)9.4
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1(%)40.6
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 2(%)1.6
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2(%)44.5
Engine RPM(rpm) 426
Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)0
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder(¡£)0.0
Intake Air Temperature(¡£F)145
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor(lb/s)0.01
Absolute Throttle Position(%)10.2
Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12--B2S1---
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.675
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)15.6
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.025
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 2-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 2-Sensor 1(%)3.9
OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedOBDII

****Here is where it begins to smooth out and idle better****

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Numbers of DTCs 0
Fuel system 1 statusCL
Fuel System 2 statusCL
Calculated Load Value(%)30.6
Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)190
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)20.3
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1(%)32.0
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 2(%)6.3
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2(%)33.6
Engine RPM(rpm) 967
Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)0
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder(¡£)10.5
Intake Air Temperature(¡£F)145
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor(lb/s)0.01
Absolute Throttle Position(%)11.8
Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12--B2S1---
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.675
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)19.5
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.035
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 2-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 2-Sensor 1(%)10.9
OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedOBDII
----------------------
Numbers of DTCs 0
Fuel system 1 statusCL
Fuel System 2 statusCL
Calculated Load Value(%)17.3
Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)190
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)19.5
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1(%)27.3
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 2(%)13.3
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2(%)25.8
Engine RPM(rpm) 1409
Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)0
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder(¡£)18.0
Intake Air Temperature(¡£F)143
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor(lb/s)0.02
Absolute Throttle Position(%)11.8
Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12--B2S1---
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.685
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)19.5
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.045
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 2-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 2-Sensor 1(%)15.6
OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedOBDII
----------------------
Numbers of DTCs 0
Fuel system 1 statusCL
Fuel System 2 statusCL
Calculated Load Value(%)26.3
Engine Coolant Temperature(¡£F)190
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 1(%)19.5
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1(%)25.8
Short Term Fuel Trim -Bank 2(%)18.0
Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2(%)25.8
Engine RPM(rpm) 1197
Vehicle Speed Sensor(mph)0
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder(¡£)16.5
Intake Air Temperature(¡£F)143
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor(lb/s)0.02
Absolute Throttle Position(%)11.8
Location of Oxygen SensorsB1S12--B2S1---
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 1(V)0.685
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 1(%)19.5
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 1-Sensor 2(V)0.045
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1-Sensor 2(%)N/A
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage Bank 2-Sensor 1(V)0.660
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 2-Sensor 1(%)19.5
OBD requirements to which vehicle is designedOBDII
----------------------
Numbers of DTCs 0
Fuel system 1 statusCL
Fuel System 2 statusCL
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