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Old 09-05-18, 07:21 AM
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Default Canon EOS R full frame mirrorless

Impressive!

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https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/5/17822310/canon-eos-r-full-r-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-announced

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https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/9/5/17822556/canon-eos-r-camera-hands-on-preview-photos

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digging the multiple adapters they're bringing... one allows drop in filters, one is basic, one has extra control ring that the new RF lenses have. very cool.

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great info page and comments here:

https://petapixel.com/2018/09/05/can...orless-camera/
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Thanks Bit! Interesting camera. The crop factor not so much.

They took the wants of the M series in FF and brought desirable glass at the release. I wonder if this will signal that the M line will be like the Rebel level system and they will want to herd mid-line and advanced users into spending for this. We'll see.
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Thanks Bit! Interesting camera. The crop factor not so much.
Crop's on 4k video, right?

Edit: I see now that yes, the 4k useas seriously cropped in portion of the sensor to avoid over heating according to Canon

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Another review after more hands on

https://www.engadget.com/2018/09/08/canon-s-eos-r-full-frame-mirrorless-hands-on/
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excellent detailed real world review...

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Lack of IBIS in the R is kind of disappointing
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canon's never had it, have they? and since most of their lenses have it, i think they're not keen on adding it?
i'm not sure why IBIS is better than lens stabilization? obviously both would be amazing.
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Canon hasn't had it, but Nikon and Sony both have it in their mirrorless cameras. Seems like an odd omission given the competition
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i don't agree because canon long ago decided IS should be in lenses, not camera bodies, so they'd be making redundant tech / cost if they switched to IBIS. nikon and sony can avoid having it in the lenses but i don't notice their lenses being cheaper.
plus, and i don't know this, it would seem having it in the lens you can make it work specific to the lens... maybe in body one has to have some compromises to work with all lenses?
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Lot of legacy lenses without IS though
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Great news, mirrorless sure has a future!
And since there is a beautiful, sexy, affordable $100 adapter I'm going to ditch all my Nikon glass and start all over again...errrr....or maybe not....

Few thoughts:
- It's good that there are several adapters to choose from as those $400 filter adapters is exactly what I would not want. That's what I consider expensive (and you still going to need filters for your new lenses).
- The rear ring sort of adapter sounds great at first and is price wise OK, however I'm not that sure about it's usefulness. The new lenses seem to have that clickable ring near the front of the lens and I think that's a good design.
At the back as on the adapter it will be difficult to reach, in particular with larger lenses and zoom lenses, where the hand is more in the middle part to support weight and move zoom ring. I never liked the aperture ring of my old Nikon lenses, as I always thought it screws your balance, is awkward to use off from the center of the lens, nver mind on a zoom lens. I was very happy when we got the front/rear dial system with the F5, what an improvement in handling. (I might still go for that adapter with the ring if with Canon, as it still is an OK price and ...hey...why not...? It's nice to have...)
- Lenses: Thank you Nikon My lens budget is usually rather around $1000 (preferably less) than $2000. In that sense there are 3 lenses to pick from with the new Nikon system right away, plus another 3 next year (and I sure have my eye on that 14-30 F4, even I expect it to be more around $1500). The f2.8 boys will have to wait until next year, never mind the 0.9 Noctifox No-Scratch Glass-shelf Collectors Item). Canon on the other hand starts out with two $2000-3000 lenses (ouchhh) and two reasonably priced lenses - but both not my interest, dun like those all in one wide/tele zooms (but see how it appeals, in particular if one wants to keep thing small and light as a one lens setup) and 35mm was never my range (much prefer 28) and have my doubts about it's usefulness as a 'macro' (do like the price however).

That said with an adapter there's no need to rush and buy lenses and I'm sure the Canon power house will churn out at least 4-5 lenses per year in the near future so before not long there will be a rather wide range of lenses to choose from. Rome wasn't build in a day, I never saw the need to have a 'complete' camera system at once. To me it's a developing thing, an endless learning progress, my usage has changed over time (and continues to do so) - and so do my requirements.

- In body stabilization. Stabilization is somewhat overrated to begin with in my opinion. It won't do any good to be able to shoot at 1/30 or slower if there's a need to freeze motion. For the real long exposures I still will need a tripod. That said there are situations where high ISO image quality (in particular) combined with image stabilization allow for photography which otherwise wouldn't be possible. And yes, I do leave the tripod home more often these days, as I can take a lot of images without it these days (compared to film and very early digital), but it's more about being able to crank up the ISO. In body stabilization is another 'nice to have' for me, take it if you can get it, but wouldn't be a turn off for me if not available. I'm pretty sure Nikon will continue to include VR in future lenses if it offers advantages (particularly in longer tele lenses). For videographers it might be a different story, maybe that 1.1x stabilization crop mode gives additional use there when shooting while on the move? However that's only in 1080p mode so needs likely to be improved in the future, plus it's for the vid guys to worry about, not me

- I'm not worried about single card slots, never had lost any pictures due card failures, stopped using double slots for backup long time ago.

Overall it looks Canon has come up with a solid mirrorless first generation and that's a good thing. It seems nothing really lost in comparison to a dSLR (apart from shots per battery), but bringing in advantages and being 'future-proof' - your going to step into the system Canon (and Nikon) consider their future.
So, yes, bring it one.

Two more comments:
Canon has put the LCD frame level to the bottom of the camera. In the Nikon it seems to sit about 2mm above it, at the most. Ouch. There's potential on cracking up that screen, in particular if you're using you tools a lil' rought at times (as I do ) If you add the battery grip it won't be an issue but otherwise....hhhmmmm...hope I'm wrong here.

The biggest draw for me however is the EVF and additional controls indeed. Can't wait over/under exposing and seeing real time results in the viewfinder! Plus I the additional control via the lens. With front, rear and lens dial I've got the possibility to change settings of 3 parameters effortlessly, that's great stuff. I really do like that new 'left/right' button on the Canon, btw. Having the possibility to change 3 settings with good ergonomics out of 4 (aperture, speed, over/under exposure, ISO) and with direct access is good stuff. No fumbling around while shooting, switching easily while framing, and seeing instant results, yay!
Good news from both Canon and Nikon.
















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