Notices
CT 200h Model (2011-present)

Courier CT update: 460k miles and a few issues

 
Old 03-18-19, 10:27 PM
  #1  
Raidin
Lead Lap
Thread Starter
 
Raidin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: TX
Posts: 433
Received 56 Likes on 44 Posts
Default Courier CT update: 460k miles and a few issues

I decided to update you guys at this point as I have just left the car with my mechanic today for a job that I hope will solve my two big issues. I also decided to make a new thread because I have been following these issues on multiple threads here and over at PriusChat. It is much easier to just make a thread here and one there and update them as needed.

Ok, so the two major things going on with my car right now are as follows:
  1. The weird noise that sounds like the engine misfiring / cold start shudders but more muted. This started happening right after my head gasket job back at 375k miles. I've been living with it since and it's been driving me up the wall. My mechanic felt it was the transmission because that's where the noise seems to be coming from. After constant research at PriusChat, I ran into a few people who mentioned the same exact problem. They also mentioned my second issue below as well. Someone felt it was the transmission as well, but most felt it had to do with the EGR system. My mechanic didn't agree. After showing him the TSB and some other info, he looked up the system and the intake manifold, and told me that Toyota doesn't use an EGR system that could do this at all, EXCEPT it seems for the Prius family. He said this is a common Honda problem, and it's not a good design. It seems Toyota uses it here and so here we are. He's never seen this before (I doubt he's ever seen a high-mileage Prius where he is located), but now that he sees how this EGR is different than all other Toyotas, he says it absolutely could cause the misfire codes (issue #2 below).
  2. Codes! CEL goes off intermittently and shows cylinder #4 misfire (P0304 I think) and P219A which is an improper fuel/air mixture ratio.
These two issues are covered by the same TSB from Lexus. It claims a "rough running" sound along with misfire codes could result when EGR is active if it is clogged. The resolution? Replace the intake manifold. Great. Anyway, my mechanic doesn't believe in just replacing stuff all the time. He will take the EGR system and intake manifold and clean them if possible, otherwise he has a manifold on order just in case.

For those of you who clean the EGR system yourselves, he did say he uses an old speedometer cable (steel) which he uses on a power drill to get deep inside stuff for cleaning along with carburetor cleaner sprayed inside first, in case this helps any of you.

Other than that, other issues I have are as follows:
  1. Loud high-pitched squeaking from the driver's side window when it goes up (along with the glass itself vibrating as if loose but tightening up as it rolls up). This is intermittent, and happens mostly after the window was wet. May have to do with the coating Lexus puts on the driver's window.
  2. I have two rattles in the car that are still intermittent but progressively showing up more often. One is in the driver's door, high-pitched resonance with the audio system at high volume. I can usually stop it by pressing my elbow against the door firmly, until the door settles enough and it returns. The other is from the center console, which I can alleviate by pressing my knee against it firmly. Same effect.
  3. Moonroof rattles audibly when the cover is open. This is due to a part on the right side (passenger side) that came loose long ago and moves around as you open and close the moonroof. I will have to have the dealer look at it at some point, as sometimes this piece moves into a bad spot and jams the moonroof when closing.
  4. Gas cap no longer clicks when closed, just tightens. The mechanism is probably worn after daily fill ups for 4.5 years, lol. I had it tested and it still holds pressure.
  5. A lot of people have mentioned the weird noise the car makes after being turned off that sounds like coolant pressure leaking. I used to get a high-pitched wheezing sound that slowly diminished (as pressure was reduced I'm assuming), but now I get a more standard sound like other cars (not sure how to describe it...a metallic trickling sound?)
Can't think of anything else at the moment. Will update with anything else I think of, plus the resolution and how it fares when all is said and done.

Last edited by Raidin; 03-23-19 at 08:55 PM.
Raidin is offline  
The following 2 users liked this post by Raidin:
ltsr (03-21-19), RXGS (03-25-19)
Old 03-23-19, 09:03 PM
  #2  
Raidin
Lead Lap
Thread Starter
 
Raidin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: TX
Posts: 433
Received 56 Likes on 44 Posts
Default

Update: I have been very busy and didn't have enough time to write an update.

The car was done the very next day. I was told that cleaning the intake turned out to be extremely time-consuming, and would cost far more than a new one, so I had the new one put in. EGR valve was cleaned, but the EGR cooler was a nightmare so we left that alone until it needs to be replaced.

With the new intake and the EGR valve cleaned up, here's what happened: The rough running noise on low speed driving and light acceleration is flat out gone. I can even hear the intake noise when pushing the car, which I don't recall ever hearing, except maybe when the car was new? It's been 4.5 years, I can't remember. The noise almost sounds like exhaust noise, so it was definitely unusual. Also, no more CELs.

Here's a picture of each cylinder port on my old intake. You can see how each one is more gunked up in the little hole the EGR is connected to than the last cylinder port. The least gunked up one is cylinder 1, and on and on to the highest gunked hole, which is cylinder 4 (hence the consistent but intermittent cylinder 4 P0304 code):


1

2

3

4
Raidin is offline  
Old 03-24-19, 07:44 PM
  #3  
Raidin
Lead Lap
Thread Starter
 
Raidin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: TX
Posts: 433
Received 56 Likes on 44 Posts
Default

At this point, my 462k mile CT is running like new again. One head gasket blown (375k), some parts replaced just for reliability's sake and some for being worn (375k), and another issue with these cars taken care of (the manifold issue above) (461k), and I'm back to normal running with zero outstanding issues.

As per E46CT's inquiry on how the car looks after 462k miles, I made two quick videos showing the exterior and interior after a car wash. Also threw in a picture of the only original wheel I have on the car (in one accident where someone forced me into a concrete barrier at highway speed, I had two replaced and one repaired). The picture shows what happens to your wheels after constant tire rotations.

Wheel picture:



Video of exterior:


Video of interior:

Raidin is offline  
The following 2 users liked this post by Raidin:
bowser (03-27-19), DaveGS4 (03-26-19)
Old 03-24-19, 08:48 PM
  #4  
14ct200h
Rookie
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: CA
Posts: 94
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

I noticed your navigation **** is a wheel. Mine is a mouse, was there an option for that?
14ct200h is offline  
Old 03-25-19, 08:32 AM
  #5  
nsxjohn
Driver School Candidate
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: VA
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Models with factory navigation have a square controller. This car has display audio (no navigation) and includes the round wheel controller.
nsxjohn is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Raidin (03-26-19)
Old 03-25-19, 10:54 AM
  #6  
E46CT
Lexus Champion
 
E46CT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: CA
Posts: 3,597
Received 375 Likes on 299 Posts
Default

Your car looks really good, especially for 460k. Surprised there's not more wear on the steering wheel, but then also not surprised since mine looks pretty new too (for a 4 year old car)

Very nice to have a data point re the intake. Honestly i'd probably just replace the intake and EGR cooler with brand new ones when comes time... maybe 100k-150k? I can do the work myself. Glad to see and hear your car is running like new.

I think with a smaller engine, things are just more bound to get plugged up with carbon and soot faster. I wonder if an occasional sea foam treatment for the intake could help things. or just good old fashioned pull the intake and clean it /soak it in carbon cleaner and reinstall with new intake gaskets.

I might do this as a weekend job at some point. but i'm only at 45k.. so maybe not for a while. lol.
E46CT is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Raidin (03-26-19)
Old 03-25-19, 04:45 PM
  #7  
RXGS
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: .
Posts: 6,243
Received 92 Likes on 79 Posts
Default

Incredible shape for the mileage. Congrats. Did the repair remove any considerations about buying a new car?
RXGS is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Raidin (03-26-19)
Old 03-26-19, 08:49 AM
  #8  
Raidin
Lead Lap
Thread Starter
 
Raidin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: TX
Posts: 433
Received 56 Likes on 44 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by RXGS View Post
Incredible shape for the mileage. Congrats. Did the repair remove any considerations about buying a new car?
Sadly, yes! lol! While I want to keep the car running as long as possible, I do like changing cars. For now, I'm going to keep rolling on the CT because that was the whole point anyway, and am considering going electric next time around. Maybe a Rivian R1S...
Raidin is offline  
Old 03-26-19, 09:26 AM
  #9  
E46CT
Lexus Champion
 
E46CT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: CA
Posts: 3,597
Received 375 Likes on 299 Posts
Default

Glad you're keeping the CT. see how far you can go.

I wonder if knowing what you know now, if this hybrid/engine combo can run longer than 400k if you keep the intake and EGR clean? I wonder if you have any theories or anything you'd do differently this time around.

Still keeping the same OCIs? 400k is still impressive for any ICE-based machine.
E46CT is offline  
Old 03-26-19, 02:19 PM
  #10  
ltsr
Driver
 
ltsr's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: CA
Posts: 150
Received 36 Likes on 26 Posts
Default

is that the factory driver's side floor mat? surprised you haven't worn a hole through it yet
ltsr is offline  
Old 03-26-19, 05:05 PM
  #11  
Raidin
Lead Lap
Thread Starter
 
Raidin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: TX
Posts: 433
Received 56 Likes on 44 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by E46CT View Post
Glad you're keeping the CT. see how far you can go.

I wonder if knowing what you know now, if this hybrid/engine combo can run longer than 400k if you keep the intake and EGR clean? I wonder if you have any theories or anything you'd do differently this time around.

Still keeping the same OCIs? 400k is still impressive for any ICE-based machine.
The two issues I've run into so far seem to be design flaws or bad design choices by Toyota, done because they only appear on at very high mileage, so 99% of the customers won't see them.

As far as the intake goes, I would probably wait till I start hearing noise or getting CEL codes before replacing/cleaning. Just me, since I drive so much and don't have time to take my car apart for this sort of thing.

As far as the head gasket, I'm not sure what I can do to prevent it, if there's anything at all. If I notice more than normal violent engine vibrations on cold starts, I plan to have the engine checked for coolant or oil leaking into the cylinders again, and see if I can't stop the head gasket from blowing somehow.

But yes, it does sound that as long as I prevent these two issues from happening, I should be able to run a long time. Over at PriusChat, someone posted this link:

https://lusciousgarage.com/blog/prius_taxi_repair/

Obviously these could be any generation, but it does seem like they see all sorts of issues, and well before 300k it seems. At this point I'm not sure what else I'll run into...I'm worried about the transmission, but honestly isn't not that expensive to replace. I think I will be fine if I address these issues early now that I know what to look for, and look forward to keeping this CT alive as long as I can even though all sorts of cool cars and trucks are on the horizon.

Originally Posted by ltsr View Post
is that the factory driver's side floor mat? surprised you haven't worn a hole through it yet
All the floormats are factory, never replaced. I don't move my shoes all over it like I guess some folks do, I tend to pick up my feet as I move them around. Come to think of it, I am surprised they are not more worn than they are, like you said. Maybe they are higher quality than other mats? I wonder...

Here are two pictures so you guys can see it up close...



Last edited by Raidin; 03-26-19 at 05:08 PM.
Raidin is offline  
The following users liked this post:
ltsr (05-17-19)
Old 04-01-19, 10:06 PM
  #12  
MrBooby
Lexus Champion
iTrader: (1)
 
MrBooby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: NJ
Posts: 3,235
Received 20 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

Wow you take great care of your ride. It looks phenominal. Most impressive is the minimal damage to the front end (is this a city car?), the minimal wear on the driver bolsters, steering wheel, and arm rest. The carpet is also something else. Great job!
MrBooby is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Raidin (04-03-19)
Old 04-03-19, 07:57 AM
  #13  
Raidin
Lead Lap
Thread Starter
 
Raidin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: TX
Posts: 433
Received 56 Likes on 44 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by MrBooby View Post
Wow you take great care of your ride. It looks phenominal. Most impressive is the minimal damage to the front end (is this a city car?), the minimal wear on the driver bolsters, steering wheel, and arm rest. The carpet is also something else. Great job!
Since I ordered the car with keeping it as long as possible in mind, I did what I could to keep it as wear-free as possible. I try to sit in the seat quickly and not rub against the bolster much. I keep my steering wheel clean and my hands as well and try not to rub the wheel too much when turning or moving my hands. I rarely use the arm rest to rest my arm.

The front end is protected by paint protection film, so that helps it look new. I've had minor hits with debris and wrecks (bumper was never replaced if I recall correctly), and had to replace the grill and L emblem once, both fenders, and I think one headlight. Hood is also still factory.

To answer your question, it is now driven 10% on city streets, 90% is highway. Before that, same route, just more like 25% city, 75% highway.
Raidin is offline  
Old 05-15-19, 07:52 AM
  #14  
krabizz
Driver School Candidate
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Illinois
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Hi! I'm new here and just bought a 2014 CT! I love that your posts show how reliable this should be for me. I do have a question though. As per this TSB from Lexus, I can see that at least as far as my VIN goes, I should not run into the intake manifold/rough idle when cold issue. Does your VIN fall before or after their supposed change in their production part use?

Can't figure out how to upload a PDF, but its the first PDF linked to in this post. https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ct-...cold-soak.html

Thanks! Seeing everyone's posts on this forum really helped me make my decision of buying the CT!
krabizz is offline  
Old 05-16-19, 08:58 AM
  #15  
E46CT
Lexus Champion
 
E46CT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: CA
Posts: 3,597
Received 375 Likes on 299 Posts
Default

I wouldn't necessarily think if you're 2014 and above, you're necessarily out of the woods completely. I believe these mechanical changes mitigate the problem, but not completely eliminate its potential. If you live in a warm climate, it may help, and if you are good about oil changes using SN PLUS designated oil, that would help as well.

Here are MY changes I posted in another thread:

Engine Differences through the years

2014 saw a revised intake manifold.
2014 saw revised pistons
2015 saw revised piston ring sets (to protect against oil loss and blow by)
2015 saw revised intake cam gear to reduce rattle on startup
__________________
E46CT is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - About Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: