charging EVs on long trips...
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i'm not driving to oregon to recharge or for any other reason. 
i wouldn't be buying an EV because of it's "potential to get better".
yes, poor polluting ice cars... the joke is that ICE cars pollute so little these days i believe it's basically irrelevant. gee look at what the epa says:
and a HUGE chunk of that transportation slice is trucks and ships.
as we have more ev's and less ice, the electricity slice will get bigger and the transportation slice will get a bit smaller.
the fantasy of renewables for the whole country is just that for a long long time. we'd be better off using nuclear. geothermal looks promising though. wind and solar are ugly and don't work everywhere and aren't a replacement without storage. yes, tesla's roof tiles seem awesome, but are expensive, and apparently still very limited availability.
the consumption of fossil fuels is still projected to increase for the foreseeable future.
i wouldn't be buying an EV because of it's "potential to get better".
yes, poor polluting ice cars... the joke is that ICE cars pollute so little these days i believe it's basically irrelevant. gee look at what the epa says:
and a HUGE chunk of that transportation slice is trucks and ships.
as we have more ev's and less ice, the electricity slice will get bigger and the transportation slice will get a bit smaller.
the fantasy of renewables for the whole country is just that for a long long time. we'd be better off using nuclear. geothermal looks promising though. wind and solar are ugly and don't work everywhere and aren't a replacement without storage. yes, tesla's roof tiles seem awesome, but are expensive, and apparently still very limited availability.
the consumption of fossil fuels is still projected to increase for the foreseeable future.
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None of here are environmentalists. It's not that I don't care about the environment, but buying and driving an EV to save the environment was not the reason. Would I prefer energy to come from renewable sources? Sure, but if fossil fuels are used I have no issue. To produce enough energy to sustain our electricity use, we are going to have to turn to a combination of fossil fuels, nuclear, solar, wind, and thermal. Plus like you say, EV fits my lifestyle because where I live, access to charging is not an issue
Last edited by AMIRZA786; Apr 1, 2022 at 03:05 PM.
EZZ and AMIRZA786, we've heard over and over how well they're working for you, and that's great. but repeating how well they work for middle and upper income people in california isn't very meaningful to the other 99% of the country, and repeating it doesn't make it more appealing for those not in your situation.
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EZZ and AMIRZA786, we've heard over and over how well they're working for you, and that's great. but repeating how well they work for middle and upper income people in california isn't very meaningful to the other 99% of the country, and repeating it doesn't make it more appealing for those not in your situation.
At this point, road-tripping an EV is do-able. Is it as fast as an ICE...no but if the EV works as a daily commuter 99% of the other time, it could be a better solution than owning an ICE for use on that 1% chance you do a roadtrip. We are only describing our situation here to point out that a built out infrastructure will eliminate range anxiety and make the EV easy to live with.
For every example I provide on how living with this is easy, I see just as many stupid assertions that all EVs lose 40% of range in cold weather and pollute more and are noisier than ICE cars. Works both ways.
None of here are environmentalists. It's not that I don't care about the environment, but buying and driving an EV to save the environment was not the reason. Would I prefer energy to come from renewable sources? Sure, but if fossil fuels are used I have no issue. To produce enough energy to sustain our electricity use, we are going to have to turn to a combination of fossil fuels, nuclear, solar, wind, and thermal. Plus like you say, EV fits my lifestyle because where I live, access to charging is not an issue
And for what it's worth, I believe in 2012, I had a deposit put on a Nissan Leaf, but the deal never went through because Nissan wes going to take over 6 month to deliver it here in NYC. This was before EVs because a toxic religion, and I actually had a thread about it on here.
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I don't think anybody is really an environmentalist, most of them just pretend to be because it either benefits them in certain ways, or just makes them feel better about themselves. The best way to care about environment is to keep your own property clean, and not worry about who drives what. I personally do not care about environmental aspect of EV vs ICE at all. If I had a big garage with and ability to charge at home, I'd probably own an EV as a second car, just to avoid going into filthy gas stations. For road trips I'd retain an ICE.
And for what it's worth, I believe in 2012, I had a deposit put on a Nissan Leaf, but the deal never went through because Nissan wes going to take over 6 month to deliver it here in NYC. This was before EVs because a toxic religion, and I actually had a thread about it on here.
And for what it's worth, I believe in 2012, I had a deposit put on a Nissan Leaf, but the deal never went through because Nissan wes going to take over 6 month to deliver it here in NYC. This was before EVs because a toxic religion, and I actually had a thread about it on here.
People are not genuine environmentalists.
There is often a flaw in their thinking.
For example, Greta Thunberg will try to be an environmentalist, and then she will suddenly fly in a Boeing 747 to the US etc - when a genuine environmentalist would have meetings and presentations on-line using Zoom etc.
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True.
People are not genuine environmentalists.
There is often a flaw in their thinking.
For example, Greta Thunberg will try to be an environmentalist, and then she will suddenly fly in a Boeing 747 to the US etc - when a genuine environmentalist would have meetings and presentations on-line using Zoom etc.
People are not genuine environmentalists.
There is often a flaw in their thinking.
For example, Greta Thunberg will try to be an environmentalist, and then she will suddenly fly in a Boeing 747 to the US etc - when a genuine environmentalist would have meetings and presentations on-line using Zoom etc.
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I don't think anybody is really an environmentalist, most of them just pretend to be because it either benefits them in certain ways, or just makes them feel better about themselves. The best way to care about environment is to keep your own property clean, and not worry about who drives what. I personally do not care about environmental aspect of EV vs ICE at all. If I had a big garage with and ability to charge at home, I'd probably own an EV as a second car, just to avoid going into filthy gas stations. For road trips I'd retain an ICE.
And for what it's worth, I believe in 2012, I had a deposit put on a Nissan Leaf, but the deal never went through because Nissan wes going to take over 6 month to deliver it here in NYC. This was before EVs because a toxic religion, and I actually had a thread about it on here.
And for what it's worth, I believe in 2012, I had a deposit put on a Nissan Leaf, but the deal never went through because Nissan wes going to take over 6 month to deliver it here in NYC. This was before EVs because a toxic religion, and I actually had a thread about it on here.
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Instead of bickering, why don't we share some tips to help your EV go the distance? I'll start with a few.
Only drive your electric pos to the parking where you keep your real car.
Keep a gas generator in the back just in case. Run the generator and plug in while driving. It'll charge while you use it just like your phone!
Turn off your headlights at night to conserve power.
Rather than driving the EV, just go about telling everyone that you drive an EV
Only drive your electric pos to the parking where you keep your real car.
Keep a gas generator in the back just in case. Run the generator and plug in while driving. It'll charge while you use it just like your phone!
Turn off your headlights at night to conserve power.
Rather than driving the EV, just go about telling everyone that you drive an EV
Lexus Champion
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 19,680
Likes: 3,760
From: California
Instead of bickering, why don't we share some tips to help your EV go the distance? I'll start with a few.
Only drive your electric pos to the parking where you keep your real car.
Keep a gas generator in the back just in case. Run the generator and plug in while driving. It'll charge while you use it just like your phone!
Turn off your headlights at night to conserve power.
Rather than driving the EV, just go about telling everyone that you drive an EV
Only drive your electric pos to the parking where you keep your real car.
Keep a gas generator in the back just in case. Run the generator and plug in while driving. It'll charge while you use it just like your phone!
Turn off your headlights at night to conserve power.
Rather than driving the EV, just go about telling everyone that you drive an EV
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So I started out today with about 220 miles left on my Tesla’s current charge and by the end of the day I had some range anxiety. I drove about 60 miles today and based on the charge at the end of day being 110 miles left it had me really wondering how many miles I would really get on a full charge. I’m consistently getting about 50-60% of the stated range and I’m driving completely normal with the auto climate at 72 degrees. At one point it seemed like it was getting better than what it was getting in the winter but now it doesn’t seem so. Based on the lofty range Tesla shows on my screen, there is no way I would take this on a trip. I wonder how Polestar’s actual vs. estimated range is?
The one good thing is that I was coming home late one night this week on a straight road with no one around and I hit 150 really quick. This car really moves!
The one good thing is that I was coming home late one night this week on a straight road with no one around and I hit 150 really quick. This car really moves!
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So I started out today with about 220 miles left on my Tesla’s current charge and by the end of the day I had some range anxiety. I drove about 60 miles today and based on the charge at the end of day being 110 miles left it had me really wondering how many miles I would really get on a full charge. I’m consistently getting about 50-60% of the stated range and I’m driving completely normal with the auto climate at 72 degrees. At one point it seemed like it was getting better than what it was getting in the winter but now it doesn’t seem so. Based on the lofty range Tesla shows on my screen, there is no way I would take this on a trip. I wonder how Polestar’s actual vs. estimated range is?
The one good thing is that I was coming home late one night this week on a straight road with no one around and I hit 150 really quick. This car really moves!
The one good thing is that I was coming home late one night this week on a straight road with no one around and I hit 150 really quick. This car really moves!
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Originally Posted by patgilm
So I started out today with about 220 miles left on my Tesla’s current charge and by the end of the day I had some range anxiety. I drove about 60 miles today and based on the charge at the end of day being 110 miles left it had me really wondering how many miles I would really get on a full charge. I’m consistently getting about 50-60% of the stated range and I’m driving completely normal with the auto climate at 72 degrees. At one point it seemed like it was getting better than what it was getting in the winter but now it doesn’t seem so. Based on the lofty range Tesla shows on my screen, there is no way I would take this on a trip. I wonder how Polestar’s actual vs. estimated range is?
The one good thing is that I was coming home late one night this week on a straight road with no one around and I hit 150 really quick. This car really moves!
The one good thing is that I was coming home late one night this week on a straight road with no one around and I hit 150 really quick. This car really moves!