It won't come close to a turbo 2.0, the 4.0 V8s for example easily throw out 600+ TQ at 1800

 

Look at this wonderful option Mercedes has That MB even takes premium LOL. There is nothing wrong with a V6 natural aspirated engine in a mainstream vehicle. It makes no sense to move to a smaller I4turbo

 

"The Metris can tow up to 5000 pounds. For reference, the Ford Transit Connect, an indirect rival, has a towing maximum of 2000 pounds. The Metris can also handle a payload of up to 2425 pounds, while the Transit Connect can carry 1550 pounds."

The Pacifica maxes out at 3600lb towing and 1725 payload. For intended goal the 4 cyl seems to be able to do more.....you also do not need to put premium in any car these days. They will self adjust to lower octane


That Hybrid I went to look at was a 2011 Fusion with 65440 miles and it has a failed high voltage safety circuit so that would mean I would have to test everything in the connector safety protection loop from the pack up to the motor/inverter and that is extremely labor intensive and it also shows an inverter short failure that I suspect along with the first issue is a result of a damaged connector or wire in the HV system. The seller was totally unable to work on the car or diagnose it at all despite having an otherwise decent operation going and working on many other normal cars. The car is now totaled due to cost of proper diagnosis and repair unless someone wants to risk just throwing a trans/inverter assembly at it and seeing it that solves the issue. If this was a pure EV it would be much easier to address

 

What is point of bringing the hybrid fusion into all of this?

 

As usual, JilI, you raise the excellent points that no one else thought to raise.

I mean who here hasn't cross-shopped a commercial cargo van when we're buying our passenger vehicles?

 

The Metris is available in 3 row 7 passenger versions, this is why I added it, talking about little four cylinders.
Small downsized turbos are not the solution for everything

 

Because the equivalent German car is a Passat diesel. Those do not have any issues at all that can't be very easily addressed and you get a much better experience overall

 

A Camry/Avalon with the 3.5 is much better alternative. Even the Camry 2.5 is a better way

Just adds more and more complexity in name of saving fuel economy. MPG is the only reason why it is there.

 

depends where you live. in europe, most buyers would take the diesel still.

 

Sure. But in Europe the 3.5 is not available.

 

Mercedes only made the I6 so it could be built on the same line as the I4. It’s a layout of convenience vs. trying to make a special experience.

You’re right Jill, Mercedes has been making model designations that don’t correspond with engine size for many years, well over a decade actually.

 

Right, but still you get a benefit of the I-6 out of it so who cares.

Also, not directed to you but you guys are underselling NA engines. Having immediate torque off-idle from a large displacement engine is plenty satisfying and torquey. That Hyundai 3.8 feels great I bet. I'm not saying that turbos don't have advantages but the only reason they're here is for fuel economy, or mostly at least.

 

Doesn't matter how they do it. Where else can you get an inline 6 experience among large luxury class cars? The last few gen S class models were V6s

If anyone truly likes cars...they'd appreciate the fact that Mercedes is offering an I6 once again.

 

The diesel competes with the hybrids, the Toyota have no chance against a 2.0T Passat or the W6 for speed handling etc.....

 

My 4.0 makes more TQ at 1500 rpm aka off idle than a hellcat engine at peak. That's instant power well beyond any NA V8 no matter what size it is and on par with the Viper V10

NA engines can sound and feel great but even the finest NA engine is improved with FI, my larger 4.3, 4.6 and 5.7 engines feel WEAK vs the 4.0 in any low rpm or part throttle circumstance. There is just no comparison.

Only the 6.8 engine feels somewhat compatible in instant power if the super is not in play, with it it's the same if not more aggressive due to the super transmission stepping it up to very high rpm and wastegating/blowing off the surplus over 12 PSI.

The ISF, GSF, and RCF and even the LS460 post refresh are great examples of an NA engine design competing horribly vs their forced induction competition in all ways other than sound and emotion. Even in MPG they lose.