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Old Jan 13, 2022 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
agreed, but if one is subjectively comparing one car on a very noisy road surface vs other cars on 'regular' surfaces, then it's not very valid.
of course, absolutely agree. just saying it's best to choose a noisier platform
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Old Jan 13, 2022 | 03:31 PM
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Its hard to measure sound levels in cars with ANC as ANC doesnt reduce the actual decibels of sound...
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Old Jan 13, 2022 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rominl
of course, absolutely agree. just saying it's best to choose a noisier platform
by platform i think you mean road surface here not car platform?
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Old Jan 14, 2022 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Its hard to measure sound levels in cars with ANC as ANC doesnt reduce the actual decibels of sound...
Why is the ANC implementation in a car different from the implementation in a good quality headset for example?

On my headset, when I turn on the ANC, the difference is dramatic in how it cuts out background sounds (my bike trainer, people talking in the room etc).

If ANC works as intended/designed, it should definitely cut down noise levels in a car IMO. I stand to be corrected however, please elaborate.
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Old Jan 14, 2022 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Hameed
Why is the ANC implementation in a car different from the implementation in a good quality headset for example?

On my headset, when I turn on the ANC, the difference is dramatic in how it cuts out background sounds (my bike trainer, people talking in the room etc).

If ANC works as intended/designed, it should definitely cut down noise levels in a car IMO. I stand to be corrected however, please elaborate.
Oh the difference to the ears is dramatic, works less so in a car because a car is not a sealed environment like a set of headphones. My Pacifica has ANC FYI.

I'm saying the difference doesnt register on a sound meter, not that there is no difference to the ear. Hence, its "hard to measure".
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Old Jan 14, 2022 | 07:05 AM
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Its hard to measure sound levels in cars with ANC as ANC doesnt reduce the actual decibels of sound...
i don't think that's true, i think noise cancellation does reduce dB in specific frequency ranges.

this is what i could find that appears to confirm it.

https://www.lifewire.com/measure-noi...phones-3134548
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Old Jan 14, 2022 | 09:14 AM
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It changes the frequency of sound, but it masks sound pressure with sound pressure, which is the issue. An entire car is different than a set of headphones too. dB aren't the only measure of how you perceive sound, the point is you won't really be able to look at dB readings of a car with ANC and a car without and conclude one car feels quieter inside than the other.
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Old Jan 14, 2022 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
It changes the frequency of sound, but it masks sound pressure with sound pressure, which is the issue. An entire car is different than a set of headphones too. dB aren't the only measure of how you perceive sound, the point is you won't really be able to look at dB readings of a car with ANC and a car without and conclude one car feels quieter inside than the other.
I think how it sounds (quieter car) is more important than a lowering of DB as measured by some device is what I was trying to get across.
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Old Jan 14, 2022 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Hameed
I think how it sounds (quieter car) is more important than a lowering of DB as measured by some device is what I was trying to get across.
I completely agree
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I have heard from owners at MB World that came from W222 S Classes that the ride is firmer...so it seems to be all over the place...
So, did anybody watch Alex on Autos' review of the W223 S Class and the EQS?

We were talking about ride, he gave the W223 a B+ for ride and commented that the 21" wheels contributed to a big reduction in ride quality. The 21s on the 223 are the same aspect ratio as the 20s on the 222 and he gave the 222 an A for ride without the commentary about the low profile tires...so that implies that there may in fact be a difference in ride quality. For cabin noise, the W222 measured 68 dB and the W223 measured 68.5 dB and the EQS measured 70dB, so that would also imply the EQS is not quite as quiet as the S Class, I would consider 68 vs 68.5 to be the same.

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Old Jan 16, 2022 | 10:05 AM
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I'm sure the S-Class will ride fine when it's equipped with the E-Active body control. So far none of the test cars in these reviews seem to have that option.
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Old Jan 16, 2022 | 10:21 AM
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i see alex gave the eqs A+ for ride quality.
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Old Jan 16, 2022 | 11:30 AM
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I'm sure the S-Class will ride fine when it's equipped with the E-Active body control. So far none of the test cars in these reviews seem to have that option.
That option will be all but impossible to find on the S Class. 98% of them will be just airmatic.
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Old Jan 22, 2022 | 12:22 PM
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In the latest Motor Trend comparison of the EQS and Lucid Air (which the Lucid won), MT noticed the same thing I did about the materials.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...n-test-review/

The rest of the EQS' cabin is relatively straightforward and familiar, though if we hold fast to the idea of this serving as the S-Class of EVs, the interior is the largest disconnect. There's plenty of limo-esque legroom, but thanks to battery packaging and overall odd proportions, rear passengers have a tall knee angle thanks to a high floor that could prove uncomfortable for some. Still, both front and back seats are large and very comfortable, lending a lounge-like feel to the whole experience.Finish, fitment, and quality is typical Mercedes perfection, but materials are good, not great. There's a marked use of plastic where it should/would be metal on its traditional gas-powered namesake. Whether it's the result of weight savings or a move to amortize the inherent high-cost of developing this new platform, it feels insubstantial and noticeably cheaper to interact with than the new S-Class. Add to this poor visibility, high frontal cowl, acres of LED accent lighting, and the slab of infotainment screen, and this is one of the most inelegantly presented non-AMG Mercedes we've interacted with in some time, at least by some staffer's standards.

"If this is supposed to be the S-Class of electric vehicles, this is a massive swing and a miss," said features editor Christian Seabaugh. "This lacks the solidity and quality feeling the S580 has. There's something toyish, and almost cheap about it. Hokey, even."
I agree with their assessment 100%.

They also agreed with my comment that it feels more E Class than S Class:

Second place falls to the 2022 Mercedes EQS. As a sublimely cossetting sensory-deprivation tank on wheels, the EQS excels. It's when you read between the stitching that it falls apart a bit, particularly on value, amenities, styling, and materials. The S-Class of EVs, it is not. Ignoring the sheer size, it feels a bit more adjacent to a CLS or even standard E-Class than Merc's Grand Poobah gasoline-powered sedan.

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Old Feb 1, 2022 | 08:36 AM
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Finally saw the EQS in person. I really like it. Internet pictures are not as great looking IMO.

I think the presence is very strong. The model was sold so we couldn’t sit inside. Not really feeling the interior design from the looks of it. The centre console looks a little weak




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