Tesla Model S Plaid
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‘it will be all electric. By 2050 (Paris Goals) battery will still have a place, but the majority of cars will be FCEV. Region dependent. Cheap cars will be FCEV, hit more mid priced they will be battery. Performance cars will be battery. Fuel cells don’t compete with battery tech..they both compliment one another
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and tesla's losing millions a day right now with their bitcoin 'investment'. #nohate
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Previously they were up over a billion I don't think you understand the basics of investing. Here's an example, holding Tesla stock for 5+ years meant for a good portion of that time you were down on your investment. 3-4 years ago did you say Tesla investors were losing millions per day? Yea you probably did haha.
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It would be nice to have a Tesla thread that for once doesn't go into whether EV's are a feasible future.
What will keep Tesla alive, more than anything else, is their brand image. There are car companies out there existing for a century with storied legacies that don't have a fifth of Tesla's accomplishments. A vehicle like the Model S Plaid is something that is spoken in the same vein as the Bugatti Veyron- the car that held everyone's attention when it came out despite the dozens of supercars that have exceeded it since in performance. Every company dreams of their "Bugatti Veyron moment"- Toyota had it with the LS400, BMW had it with the M3, Porsche with the 911, Citroen with the DS, and so on... but Tesla has these moments once every couple years.
Take Mazda as an example- enthusiasts still mindlessly salivate over any dumb rumor about their vehicles because of what they released in the early 90s, and the massive aspirations they had back then. That span of a few short years was enough to cement the brand in people's heads for decades to come even with the company producing almost nothing truly noteworthy in the past 20 years aside from the Miata. Tesla's accomplishments already overshadow anything Mazda has accomplished in their prime. That immortalizes them even if they go kaput tomorrow.
What will keep Tesla alive, more than anything else, is their brand image. There are car companies out there existing for a century with storied legacies that don't have a fifth of Tesla's accomplishments. A vehicle like the Model S Plaid is something that is spoken in the same vein as the Bugatti Veyron- the car that held everyone's attention when it came out despite the dozens of supercars that have exceeded it since in performance. Every company dreams of their "Bugatti Veyron moment"- Toyota had it with the LS400, BMW had it with the M3, Porsche with the 911, Citroen with the DS, and so on... but Tesla has these moments once every couple years.
Take Mazda as an example- enthusiasts still mindlessly salivate over any dumb rumor about their vehicles because of what they released in the early 90s, and the massive aspirations they had back then. That span of a few short years was enough to cement the brand in people's heads for decades to come even with the company producing almost nothing truly noteworthy in the past 20 years aside from the Miata. Tesla's accomplishments already overshadow anything Mazda has accomplished in their prime. That immortalizes them even if they go kaput tomorrow.
Yes bitcoin went to $60K making musk look like a genius for putting $1.5Bn of the company's money into it. Now it's under $32K. Not such a genius move regardless of what happens (it's way too risky and reckless).
Here's an example, holding Tesla stock for 5+ years meant for a good portion of that time you were down on your investment. 3-4 years ago did you say Tesla investors were losing millions per day? Yea you probably did haha.
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I don’t care about the stock price or market value. Tesla makes cars people want to own. Yes, their QC and refinement needs work, but they are getting there.
To put it in perspective, I would rather own this Tesla, over my current LS 460L or the new LS 500.
Maybe the pure excitement and rocket-like propulsion would wear off over time, but I doubt it.
I want Lexus to build this, but with Lexus quality and refinement. Doubt it will happen any time soon.
To put it in perspective, I would rather own this Tesla, over my current LS 460L or the new LS 500.
Maybe the pure excitement and rocket-like propulsion would wear off over time, but I doubt it.
I want Lexus to build this, but with Lexus quality and refinement. Doubt it will happen any time soon.
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My car is paid off and due to Covid, only put 3,500 miles on it in the last 12 months.
When the time comes, Tesla will get a look, but so will Toyota, Lexus and Genesis.
I am not brand loyal. I buy what I want and what appeals to me. Still boggles my mind how slow Toyota/Lexus is to update vehicles.
I will definitely test drive the Tundra, Sequoia and LX, once they come out.
Anyway, I like what Tesla is doing. Plus, I have a nice garage where I can charge it!!!!
When the time comes, Tesla will get a look, but so will Toyota, Lexus and Genesis.
I am not brand loyal. I buy what I want and what appeals to me. Still boggles my mind how slow Toyota/Lexus is to update vehicles.
I will definitely test drive the Tundra, Sequoia and LX, once they come out.
Anyway, I like what Tesla is doing. Plus, I have a nice garage where I can charge it!!!!
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Again, i make a comment about tesla and you get butt hurt and make a personal comment about me not understanding investing. Lol.
Yes bitcoin went to $60K making musk look like a genius for putting $1.5Bn of the company's money into it. Now it's under $32K. Not such a genius move regardless of what happens (it's way too risky and reckless).
Yes bitcoin went to $60K making musk look like a genius for putting $1.5Bn of the company's money into it. Now it's under $32K. Not such a genius move regardless of what happens (it's way too risky and reckless).
Clearly people who've had tesla stock 5+ yrs have done well. It's a great success story. I made money on tesla too. People who bought at the start of this year believing all the hype though... not so much (-15%).
It would be nice to have a Tesla thread that for once doesn't go into whether EV's are a feasible future.
What will keep Tesla alive, more than anything else, is their brand image. There are car companies out there existing for a century with storied legacies that don't have a fifth of Tesla's accomplishments. A vehicle like the Model S Plaid is something that is spoken in the same vein as the Bugatti Veyron- the car that held everyone's attention when it came out despite the dozens of supercars that have exceeded it since in performance. Every company dreams of their "Bugatti Veyron moment"- Toyota had it with the LS400, BMW had it with the M3, Porsche with the 911, Citroen with the DS, and so on... but Tesla has these moments once every couple years.
Take Mazda as an example- enthusiasts still mindlessly salivate over any dumb rumor about their vehicles because of what they released in the early 90s, and the massive aspirations they had back then. That span of a few short years was enough to cement the brand in people's heads for decades to come even with the company producing almost nothing truly noteworthy in the past 20 years aside from the Miata. Tesla's accomplishments already overshadow anything Mazda has accomplished in their prime. That immortalizes them even if they go kaput tomorrow.
What will keep Tesla alive, more than anything else, is their brand image. There are car companies out there existing for a century with storied legacies that don't have a fifth of Tesla's accomplishments. A vehicle like the Model S Plaid is something that is spoken in the same vein as the Bugatti Veyron- the car that held everyone's attention when it came out despite the dozens of supercars that have exceeded it since in performance. Every company dreams of their "Bugatti Veyron moment"- Toyota had it with the LS400, BMW had it with the M3, Porsche with the 911, Citroen with the DS, and so on... but Tesla has these moments once every couple years.
Take Mazda as an example- enthusiasts still mindlessly salivate over any dumb rumor about their vehicles because of what they released in the early 90s, and the massive aspirations they had back then. That span of a few short years was enough to cement the brand in people's heads for decades to come even with the company producing almost nothing truly noteworthy in the past 20 years aside from the Miata. Tesla's accomplishments already overshadow anything Mazda has accomplished in their prime. That immortalizes them even if they go kaput tomorrow.
EV ftw!!!
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Maybe the pure excitement and rocket-like propulsion would wear off over time, but I doubt it.
EV ftw!!!
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????? is right lol. The logic makes no sense.
How can there be no future in EV tech on a massive scale, yet almighty Toyota who is so smart we just don't understand have a plan for 25 EV models?
And saying what your goal is and showing that you are building towards that goal are two different things. We see nothing basically from Toyota, yet we see many examples from other companies with far less resources than Toyota. Bottom line is they are many years behind their competitors with development of this tech, which is why we don't see it anywhere. "We'll be just like everybody else in 15 years" doesn't impress me. Toyota should be toe to toe with Tesla with this tech NOW.
How can there be no future in EV tech on a massive scale, yet almighty Toyota who is so smart we just don't understand have a plan for 25 EV models?
And saying what your goal is and showing that you are building towards that goal are two different things. We see nothing basically from Toyota, yet we see many examples from other companies with far less resources than Toyota. Bottom line is they are many years behind their competitors with development of this tech, which is why we don't see it anywhere. "We'll be just like everybody else in 15 years" doesn't impress me. Toyota should be toe to toe with Tesla with this tech NOW.
I can say in 5 years I want to be Mr Universe but considering I've drank 5 Mountain Dews today and havent exercised in many, many years that doesnt mean much lol.
And on another topic of the Plaid - some more yoke adventures
https://osultan.smugmug.com/Cars/Ref...tn/i-ndZ3GSZ/A
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As a former Lexus owner and current Model S owner, I couldn't agree more with the statements above.
Even on my "slow" 75 D that does 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, it still feels like a buttery smooth rocket and it never wears off. I have to control myself every time I get in the car not to press the accelerator hard - it's so addictive and the boost in endorphins is similar to what you get after a good workout lol
Even on my "slow" 75 D that does 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, it still feels like a buttery smooth rocket and it never wears off. I have to control myself every time I get in the car not to press the accelerator hard - it's so addictive and the boost in endorphins is similar to what you get after a good workout lol
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I always thought Lexus was about luxury, and extreme reliability. some say the S is not a luxury car. So it’s so strange that people want Lexus to replicate what Tesla does. There is not even a sunroof in Tesla S or cooling seats or other such amenities. But it’s got 0-60mph that’s for sure.
Reference what Mercedes has done with the EQS.