I think that was only a false rumor (about the mirai reincarnated as a GS).

 

According to Carmaker1, the Mirai is based on the leftovers of the 5GS development plan on the TNGA-N platform before it got cancelled. That's what I was referring to.

 

The new Mirai continues to be a FUEL CELL, aka HYDROGEN, electric vehicle. It's not a battery electric vehicle.

 

I thought Toyota/Lexus is going to have a lot of EV offerings by 2025. I don't think a lot of drivers will wait for 2030 while Lexus keep using basically the same old engines. Beside Tesla, BMW, Mercedes are moving a lot faster than this.

 

Why did you think that?

 

Because that's the longest I would wait for an EV Lexus lol Seriously, I recall I read something about that date a while ago and had to dig a little bit to find the article below from 2019. In there Toyota says they'll have 10 EVs in 2025. Now they're planning to sell only 1 million by 2030; those numbers are very small.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/e...ified-by-2025/

 

It doesn't say that, have to go several articles deep to find this:
Electrified is being used to imply full EV, it just means hybrid.

 

lol, when the first cnet article summarizing Reuters news, cnet exaggerated Toyota's timeline. When the second cnet article summarizing the first cnet article, cnet created facts that don't exist.

Still, 2030 is a long time for Toyota to only have 1 million sales of EVs.

 

Typical modern day journalism no one checks anything!
I have a feeling in 9 years Toyota will be selling way more EVs per year than 1 million. If that really happens they are royally screwed.

 

I am sure Toyota has a press release about their plans. I thought they said 5.5 million electrified models by 2025 which they have accelerated their forecast to achieve.

 

When Toyota says electrified, I think they mean hybrids. Hybrid is fine, but it doesn't have the advantages of full electric, like more space and better torque response -- the only negative might cost of battery at this point. Hybrid will have more parts and more complicated -- Toyota might be able to pull this off since their cars are so reliable.

 

I think it's best to be 100% or 100% ICE. Older Hybrids have both issues with Hybrids components and ICE parts. Ugh, that can be really expensive to own.

 

What I need is a car that can be refueled in under 2 minutes and then travel reliably for 600 miles without stoping for more fuel. Oh wait, I already have that. What an innovation.

When a next generation vehicle can do that, count me in!

To do this an electric car would need to use the electrical storage capability as its structure to reduce overall weight and cost. New materials are in development but are far from going into production.

Also there is the total energy cost to consider. How much energy does it take to produce a car, factory, parts transpiration, barefooted children working in Silver, Tin, Cobalt and Rear Earth mines?

Also there is volumetric efficiency thing to consider. At present 1 kg of gasoline produces 13 times more stored available energy than 1kg of 18650 battery chemistry. That is significant.

For me, its not a religious topic. Just a practical one. Depending on your driving habits, its likely that the iPhone in your pocket will consume less energy than the total energy required to make it.

So as far as cars go, If I can purchase a car, maintain it properly, and drive it for 25 years, then a great deal has been done to reduce my total energy footprint. And I did this all with free market solutions (my work). Not subsidies (other people's hard work). I think the folks that wear the big boy pants at Lexus understand this. We are all excited to see hobby innovation in the Electric propulsion space, but most of us don't want to deal with the depreciation loss of our own investments when this rapid innovation actually starts accelerating, because it will make last year's car something no one really wants. So thank you early adopters for trying something new. But most of us will stick with the thing that fuels up in 2 mins or less and goes 600 miles without any range anxiety.

Its not right, but I know a lot of Anti China people that then rush over to Wal-Mart to purchase Chinese goods because at the end of the day, for them, its just about price, investment and value. I would expect this to continue until such time as we all live in a future when the all powerful Central Gov decides what kind of car you will drive, how big your house can be, and what kind of foods you can purchase.