i fully acknowledge mercedes' history AND many innovations. To say hyundai has never innovated anything is simply incorrect. Just about every recent review of genesis/kia/hyundai models that have the blind spot display of left/right cameras in the digital dash say it's the greatest thing ever. The ioniq and kona electric vehicles are very innovative but of course tesla has stolen almost all the limelight (for good reason).

Och didn't point out those things, but ok.

Crashing at triple digit speeds - not much safety gear is going to help. Ask princess diana.

 

Come on, bit. That's a rather poor example.......according to the crash-investigation, Diana wasn't even wearing her seat belt (neither was her boyfriend). In fact, the only person to survive the crash (Diana's bodyguard) was wearing one...so we at least have his story. The fact that he survived (properly belted, of course) shows how effective the S-class is in protecting people at high speed if they bother to use the belts provided.

Perhaps slightly off-topic, but that raises an interesting question (which was my first reaction after the crash, and, to my knowledge, still hasn't been answered). If he was Diana's bodyguard, and technically, responsible for her life, being, no doubt, paid big bucks by the Royalty to protect her, why on Earth would he allow her to ride along, like that, under those dangerous conditions, at high speed, unbelted and exposed like that? Simply doesn't make sense ...unless, for some reason, he told her to belt up, and she simply said no, she didn't want to. With her being a Princess, he couldn't tell her what to do if she refused it.

 

Nifty, but hardly an innovation, once the cameras and displays are there it's just a matter of software really. But back on topic, if I was switching from LS460 to a 750 or a S560 I'd consider it an upgrade, but a Genesis would be a step down.

 

I wish that guy would stop showing up on my YouTube searches. He never has anything valuable to say.

 

Completely false. The 2010 Genesis was an IIHS Top Safety Pick.

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle...oor-sedan/2010

As was the Equus that came out in 2011:

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle...oor-sedan/2011

At least try to make an actual claim that doesn't take two seconds to debunk and destroy any semblance of legitimacy you may have.

 

I said Korean cars in general, not particularly saying Genesis.

With that being said, take a 10 year old Genesis and 10 years old S class and test them in the latest crash tests, I'm pretty sure the S class will fare better.

 

Nah, you were directly referring to the G90 in Bit's comment. But that's fine, I'll play along with your goalpost moving.

Here's an '11 Hyundai Sonata. Also a Top Safety Pick:

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle...oor-sedan/2011

The badge doesn't save you from a crash, son.

Show me the crash test data on the S-Class then. Make some effort and actually try backing up your claims for once instead of these unsupported generalizations pulled out from the cracks.

 

I'm not going to waste time googling links - it is a well known fact that S class has always rated as one of the safest vehicles on the road. It is also a common knowledge that in the 90ies nad 00s Korean cars were barely crashworthy.

Moreover, I don't remember specifics, but I do remember sometime toward the end of last decade a new crash test came out, and all the Korean cars did very poorly in that particular test, while German cars, including VW, rated on top.

 

This entire response is so funny. So instead of taking the time to do the research and back up your claims, you make more generalizations and then bring up an unknown test you can't even remember as proof of your claims?

And now you decide to move goalposts again from Korean cars made 10 years ago (which you were proven wrong about) to cars made 30 years ago? When your original comparison was with the G90?

I'm really out of words here to express my amazement at such hoop-hopping logic.

 

Yep- we had an entire thread about it recently, coincidentally with an S-Class:

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...c-warning.html

 

There were also a bunch of paid Huyndai trolls all over automotive forums during the last decade, and you kind of sound like them. I said Korean cars didnt fare well in the past during crash tests, and it's a fact. Regarding the G90, I never said it fared poorly in crash tests, I only said I have more faith in the safety of the S class. There is more to safety than just passing several controlled tests in a lab.

 

I'm simply asking you to provide some substance to your claims. Instead of doing that, you move goalposts and now decide to insult me by accusing me of being a "paid Hyundai troll" when I ask you to present facts to back up said claims. Simply saying "it's a fact" also doesn't cut it. If you cannot provide a response with substance, then there is little for me to work with. That is the basis of internet discussions.

There's nothing wrong with preferring an S-Class. But to claim its superiority while taking the **** on something else with nothing but inflammatory generalizations provides nothing of value. I'd go as far as to say that is more troll-like behavior than anything you're accusing me of.

 

As for the G90, I personally wouldn't pick it over an S-Class either. Savagegeese's video is excellent in summing up some of its deficiencies, specifically the lack of amenities and the simplicity of the chassis:


It's an older car sitting on the bones of the Hyundai Genesis, and was built to a budget- something that the newer G80 and GV80 aren't as constrained to. It doesn't even have air suspension.

The deficiencies of the G90 can easily be discussed without resorting to inflammatory generalizations based on vehicles made 30 years ago.

 

The ls460 isn't even sold today but i certainly understand your point of view, and that isn't going to change for most.

Agreed, but 'one of' doesn't always mean it's more safe or significantly safer. It's like the old advertising trick of saying "no other product works better" which doesn't mean the product being advertised works any better than others either.

I doubt i would either since a typically configured s-class is $35-50K more expensive!

It's true the new g90 is only a major refresh of the '17-'19 g90, which as savagegeese points out is a stretched version of the g80.

all true.

True!

anyway, back to SW17LS' next car, the S560

 

S560. all the way, the current gen S-Class has aged well, and will look great for years to come in, s560!